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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Troll Patrol # Ish Gebor: [qb] @ Quetzalcoatl, Are these the papers you are referring at, when you spoke of the M1-M3 transposition? 4. Kivisild T, Kaldma K, Metspalu M, Parik J, Papiha S, Villems R. [b] 1999[/b]. The place of the Indian mtDNA variants in the global network of maternal lineages and the peopling of the Old World. In Deka R, Papiha SS. eds Genomic Diversity Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers New York p 135–152. 5. Quintana-Murci L, Semino O, Bandelt H-J., Passarino G, McElreavey K, Santachiara-Benerecetti AS. [b]1999. [/b]Genetic evidence of an early exit of Homo sapiens sapiens from Africa through eastern Africa. Nat Genet 23: 437 – 441. [/qb][/QUOTE]Yes,[/QUOTE]So, M1 became M3 somewhere in 1999. The question I'm having here is, what is the "new" M = M1 reference? [/qb][/QUOTE]In 1999 potential confusion arose because 2 papers were published that called certain sequences M1. One had to change names, and Phylotree designated that the one carrying M16126 would now be named M3. M1 16129 16189 16249 16311 M3 16126 Thus, it is absolutely clear that, at least since the year [b]2000[/b], mutation at 16126 has designated haplogroup M3 and mutation at 16129 designates haplogroup M1. This is what you see if you visit phylotre- the official naming site. Is this what you questioned? [/QUOTE]Yeah, thanks for the reply. This was posted by Clyde, do you agree? The majority of M clades in Asia are carried by Dravidian people, Dravidian people originated in Africa and belonged to the C-Group people. Moreover, M1 is recognized as an African haplogroup. as a result, Haplotypes with HVSI transitions defining 16129-16223-16249-16278-16311-16362; and 16129-16223-16234-16249-16211-16362 have been found in Thailand and among the Han Chinese [b](Fucharoen et al, 2001; Yao et al, 2002) [/b] and these were originally thought to be members of Haplogroup M1. However, on the basis of currently available FGS sequences, carriers of these markers have been found to be in the D4a branch of Haplogroup D , the most widespread branch of M1 in East Asia [b](Fucharoen et al, 2001; Yao et al, 2002)[/b]. The transitions 16129,16189,16249 and 16311 are known to be recurrent in various branches of Haplogroup M, especially M1 and D4. As you can see geneticist change the name of haplogroups to create confusion and deny relationships between Africans and non-Africans. Another example is V88, although it is R1-M173, it was given another name to make it appear to be different from the R1 group. In summary CHINESE carry African clades. References Fucharoen G, Fucharoen S, Horai S: Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in Thailand. J Hum Genet[b] 2001, [/b]46:115-125. Yao YG, Kong QP, Bandelt HJ, Kivisild T, Zhang YP: Phylogeographic differentiation of mitochondrial DNA in Han chinese. Am J Hum Genet [b]2002 ,[/b]70:635-651. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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