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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: [QB] [QUOTE]You and Mike say whites came into Europe around 1200 BC and more around 400 to 700 AD. However the main plague and little ice age both occur hundreds of years after that around 1300 AD.[/QUOTE]No I have actually admitted several times that there were explorers and early settlers of Indo-European Whites that SETTLED IN NORTHERN EUROPE, NOT ANYWHERE ELSE IN EUROPE BUT NORTHERN EUROPE, BEFORE THE ADVENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE AND BEFORE THAT DATE! Also I just said that, and it's ACCEPTED BY MAINSTREAM HISTORIANS AND SCIENTIST'S that there were wide scale devastating PLAGUES AND PLAGUE OUTBREAK EVENTS AS LONG AGO AS ANCIENT GREEK TIMES AND DURING ROMAN TIMES! Therefore THERE WERE AREAS AND REGIONS IN EUROPE THAT WERE DENSELY POPULATED IF THAT WAS THE CASE! NORTHERN EUROPE DID NOT HAVE MAJOR URBAN CENTERS AND TOWNS AND CITIES LIKE SOUTHERN EUROPE DID IN ANCIENT TIMES! NORTHERN EUROPE DID NOT REALLY HAVE ANY MAJOR CIVILIZATIONS UNTIL THE EXPANSION OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE! NORTHERN EUROPE WAS MOSTLY UNCULTIVATED AND FORESTED LAND BY THE START OF THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRES! However the vast majority of White Indo-European settlers ARRIVED THERE FIRST, AND THEN SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE REST OF EUROPE AFTERWARDS FROM NORTHERN EUROPE (as illustrated in my Germanic's article); A REGION WHICH WAS WAS SPARED THE FATE OF SOUTHERN EUROPEAN CIVILIZATIONS WHEN IT CAME TO PLAGUE AND DISEASE OUTBREAKS BECAUSE THAT REGION DID NOT HAVE MANY URBAN CENTERS AND MAJOR CITIES DURING THE GRECO-ROMAN TOWNS TO EVEN THE TIME OF THE ADVENT OF THE BLACK DEATH! Therefore WHITE INDO-EUROPEANS WHO HAD SETTLED NORTHERN EUROPE FROM EURASIA, WERE NOT AFFECTED BY PLAGUE OUTBREAKS THAT OCCURRED IN SOUTHERN EUROPE TO IT'S FULLEST CAPABILITIES AND DEVASTATING EFFECTS! [QUOTE] Thus you depart from Mike at this point when we look at a timeline you are saying clearly doesn't explain this: It further doesn't make sense because the plague and little ice age would have had the same affect on white people as black people. [/QUOTE]No it does make sense, and I have already explained why it would affect Black Europeans more then White Indo-European peoples coming in from Northern Europe and the Eurasian steppes. Please look at my last post, and my other posts in this thread to see an explanation for that; don't be a lazy POS now! [QUOTE] Again: Let's go to 1000 BC a time before the time you say whites migrated into Europe and well before the plague and little ice age. At time when you say Europe was virtually all black. So where is your evidence in this earlier period it was densely populated by them ????? So every step of the way you don't have support to your theories Therefore Mike is right[/QUOTE]No I have said numerous times that THERE WERE EARLY WHITE INDO-EUROPEAN WHITE SETTLERS WHO DID ARRIVE TO EUROPE DURING NEOLITHIC TIMES TO THE BALTICS AND SCANDINAVIA AREA, BEFORE 1200 BC, AS I HAD POSTED IN THE CHINESE PROF THREAD! 1200 BC period is when these White Indo-european settlers start coming INTO SOUTHERN EUROPE AND OTHER PARTS OF EUROPE, FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES AND NORTH-EAST EUROPE, in significant demographic and population waves. However THESE 1200 BC WHITE MIGRATION WAVES, AT THIS TIME, were NOT ENOUGH TO DISPLACE AND REPLACE THE ORIGINAL BLACK EUROPEAN POPULATIONS IN SOUTHERN EUROPE! So they were assimilated and bred with and mixed out BY THE ORIGINAL BLACK EUROPEAN POPULATIONS IN SOUTHERN EUROPE, which is SIMILAR to what happened to ARYAN MIGRANTS IN ANCIENT INDIA! Most to nearly all early White Indo-European settlers CAME TO SETTLE PARTS OF NORTHERN EUROPE FIRST, BEFORE THEY MASS MIGRATED TO ANYWHERE ELSE IN EUROPE AND THIS APPLIES TO AS EARLY AS NEOLITHIC TIMES! NORTHERN EUROPE WAS MOSTLY UNCULTIVATED AND FORESTED LAND EVEN ALL THE WAY UP THE ROMAN EMPIRE PERIOD! NORTHERN EUROPE DID NOT HAVE ANY MAJOR CITIES AND URBAN POPULATION CENTERS SO THEY WERE SPARED THE EFFECTS AND DEVASTATION OF PLAGUE OUTBREAKS THAT OCCURRED IN SOUTHERN EUROPEAN BLACK CIVILIZATIONS LIKE THE GRECO-ROMAN CIVILIZATIONS! SO WHITES WHO WERE IN NORTHERN EUROPE, WERE NOT AFFECTED BY PLAGUE AND VIRAL OUTBREAKS, LIKE THE BLACK DEATH AS BLACK EUROPEANS IN SOUTHERN EUROPE, AS MY LINKS SHOW! And again I have already stated and it's ACCEPTED BY MANY HISTORIANS, that many White Indo-European tribes settled IN NORTHERN EUROPE FIRST WHERE THERE WERE NO MAJOR CIVILIZATIONS OR CITIES THERE, EVEN BY ROMAN TIMES! So many WHITES WHO WERE IN NORTHERN EUROPE, WERE NOT AFFECTED BY WIDE SCALE VIRAL AND PLAGUE OUTBREAKS! THERE WERE EARLY WHITE INDO-EUROPEAN SETTLERS IN NEOLITHIC EUROPE, BUT THEY WERE MOSTLY LOCATED IN PARTS OF NORTHERN EUROPE AND NOT ANYWHERE ELSE! However the White population wave migrations THAT STARTED COMING AFTER THE 1200 BC mark date, WERE LARGER, MORE POTENT, AND MORE MASSIVE THEN PREVIOUS EARLIER MIGRATION PERIODS, AS THE GREAT PEOPLES MIGRATION PERIOD OF TRIBES LIKE THE GOTHS, ALANS, SARMATIANS, AVARS, VISIGOTHS, OSTROGOTHS, MAGYARS, BULGARS ETC ETC FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES AND NORTHERN EUROPE, ILLUSTRATED!! And it's because Whites were over-populating Northern Europe and the steppes of Eurasia, DESPITE HAVING NO REAL CIVILIZATIONS OR INFRASTRUCTURE, OR TOWNS OR CITIES, OR DENSELY POPULATED URBAN CENTERS OF THEIR OWN IN NORTHERN EUROPE OR THE EURASIAN STEPPES BY THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE PERIOD; THAT THEY STARTED MIGRATING IN POPULATION WAVES THROUGHOUT THE REST OF EUROPE, WHERE BLACK EUROPEAN POPULATION CENTERS WERE, since WHITES BACK THEN WERE A HIGHLY NOMADIC PASTORAL PEOPLE WHO DID BUILD STANDING TOWNS AND CITIES OR CIVILIZATIONS! And here are various LINKS PROVIDING CREDENCE TO MY CLAIMS AND IDEAS IN THIS THREAD: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0105730 [QUOTE][b] Abstract Analysis of the proportion of immature skeletons recovered from European prehistoric cemeteries has shown that the transition to agriculture after 9000 BP triggered a long-term increase in human fertility. Here we compare the largest analysis of European cemeteries to date with an independent line of evidence, the summed calibrated date probability distribution of radiocarbon dates (SCDPD) from archaeological sites. Our cemetery reanalysis confirms increased growth rates after the introduction of agriculture; the radiocarbon analysis also shows this pattern, and a significant correlation between both lines of evidence confirms the demographic validity of SCDPDs. We analyze the areal extent of Neolithic enclosures and demographic data from ethnographically known farming and foraging societies and we estimate differences in population levels at individual sites. We find little effect on the overall shape and precision of the SCDPD and we observe a small increase in the correlation with the cemetery trends. The SCDPD analysis supports the hypothesis that the transition to agriculture dramatically increased demographic growth, but it was followed within centuries by a general pattern of collapse even after accounting for higher settlement densities during the Neolithic. The study supports the unique contribution of SCDPDs as a valid demographic proxy for the demographic patterns associated with early agriculture. Introduction The transition from foraging to farming economies resulted in the Neolithic Demographic Transition (NDT) [1], which enabled higher population levels worldwide linked to a new regime of high fertility and mortality rates. One important source of evidence on palaeodemography is the analysis of human skeletal remains, and a variety of indices designed to estimate the proportion of juvenile skeletons within populations have provided unique insights into population growth rates and the structure of prehistoric human populations (cf. [2], [3]). These metrics have been widely used to analyze the timing and effects of early agriculture on the structure of human populations [4]–[6], and the observation of a higher proportion of juveniles after the introduction of farming has supported claims that fertility surged following the introduction of agriculture in Europe and other parts of the world [1]. Such insights helped refute the population pressure model, a long-standing claim by Binford [7] and others that demographic growth during the Mesolithic preceded and drove the agricultural transition [8].[/b][/QUOTE] http://www.earthmagazine.org/article/boom-bust-neolithic-europe [QUOTE][b] [IMG]http://www.earthmagazine.org/sites/earthmagazine.org/files/styles/article_size/public/1392909649/neolithic.png?itok=4IwmWst2[/IMG] ^^^ [i]Even after the introduction of agriculture to Europe about 8,500 years ago, growing Neolithic communities still experienced large population swings.[/i] From boom to bust in Neolithic Europe AS AGRICULTURAL PRACTICES SPREAD FROM THE FERTILE CRESCENT ACROSS EUROPE, GRADUALLY EXPANDING WEST AND NORTH STARTING ABOUT 8,500 YEARS AGO, THEY BROUGHT INCREASED AND LOCALIZED FOOD PRODUCTION TO A CONTINENT WHERE NOMADIC HUNTER-GATHERERS HAD LONG MADE THEIR LIVING SUBJECT TO THE WHIMS OF CLIMATE AND THE ENVIRONMENT. WITH AGRICULTURE, LONG-TERM SETTLEMENTS DEVELOPED, FERTILITY RATES ROSE AND, THUS, POPULATIONS GREW STEADILY. OR AT LEAST THAT’S BEEN THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM. IN RECENT YEARS, SOME SCIENTISTS HAVE QUESTIONED JUST HOW STEADY NEOLITHIC POPULATION GROWTH REALLY WAS. AND NOW, RESEARCHERS ANALYZING ARCHAEOLOGICAL RECORDS GATHERED FROM ACROSS EUROPE SUGGEST THAT MANY REGIONS ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED LARGE POPULATION SWINGS DURING THE PERIOD. Booms and busts among animal populations are well known, but scientists have assumed that technology, including agriculture, “buffers out those instabilities” in human populations, says Sean Downey, an ecological anthropologist at the University of Maryland at College Park and a co-author of a new study on the subject published in Nature Communications. But, Downey says, this study documents “dramatic oscillations in human population dynamics” in Neolithic Europe. He and his colleagues, led by Stephen Shennan of University College London, amassed more than 13,500 radiocarbon dates from previously cataloged Neolithic artifacts, grouping them into 12 sub-regions — including several each in the British Isles, France, Germany, and southern Scandinavia — based on where they had been found. To study population trends, they analyzed “summed calibrated date probability distributions” (SCDPD), basically treating the number of radiocarbon-dated artifacts collected from a given region as a proxy for that area’s relative population density over time. IT’S A TECHNIQUE THAT HAS BEEN CRITICIZED AND IS — ADMITTEDLY, EVEN TO THOSE WHO USE IT — FRAUGHT WITH POTENTIAL SOURCES OF ERROR, BOTH IN DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS. TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, DOWNEY AND HIS COLLEAGUES FIRST REMOVED DUPLICATE DATES TAKEN FROM SINGLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES TO ACCOUNT FOR RESEARCHERS DISPROPORTIONATELY SAMPLING SOME SITES MORE THAN OTHERS. THE TEAM THEN PUT THE REMAINING DATA THROUGH A RIGOROUS STATISTICAL TREATMENT TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL OTHER KNOWN BIASES, DOWNEY SAYS, INCLUDING ERROR INTRODUCED INTO THE CALIBRATION CURVE USED TO CONVERT RADIOCARBON DATES TO CALENDAR YEARS AND POPULATION NUMBERS. “EVEN WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR ALL THAT, YOU STILL HAVE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT BOOM AND BUST PATTERNS,” DOWNEY SAYS. IN FACT, THE RESEARCHERS FOUND SUCH PATTERNS IN 10 OF THE 12 SUBREGIONS STUDIED, WITH SOME AREAS EXPERIENCING MULTIPLE COLLAPSES BETWEEN 8,000 AND 4,000 YEARS AGO. AT TIMES, POPULATION DECLINES OF 30 TO 60 PERCENT OCCURRED IN INDIVIDUAL REGIONS, SIMILAR IN PROPORTION TO THE DROP EXPERIENCED WHEN EUROPE WAS RAVAGED BY BUBONIC PLAGUE IN THE 14TH CENTURY. AFTER ESTABLISHING THAT THE BOOMS AND BUSTS WERE REAL, DOWNEY SAYS, THE NEXT QUESTION WAS WHY THE LATTER HAPPENED DESPITE THE EMERGENCE OF AGRICULTURE. SUSTAINED PERIODS OF COOLING HAVE BEEN THE MOST COMMON HYPOTHESIS, BUT SUPPORT FOR THIS IDEA HAS LARGELY BEEN QUALITATIVE, HE SAYS. SO, USING THE SAME STATISTICAL METHODS THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY USED, THEY TESTED FOR QUANTITATIVE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THEIR POPULATION DATA AND VARIOUS CLIMATE RECORDS, INCLUDING PROXIES FOR AIR TEMPERATURE AND PRECIPITATION IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC AND NORTHERN EUROPE. INSTEAD OF SUPPORT FOR THE CLIMATE HYPOTHESIS, THEY FOUND A “LACK OF CORRELATION BETWEEN OVERALL GROSS CHANGES IN CLIMATE PATTERNS AND THE POPULATION OSCILLATIONS,” DOWNEY SAYS, SUGGESTING THAT OTHER FACTORS WERE AT PLAY. OUTBREAKS OF DISEASE AND CONFLICT AND OVEREXPLOITATION OF THE LAND IN INCREASINGLY DENSE SETTLEMENTS ARE ALL POSSIBILITIES. MASS MIGRATIONS OF PEOPLE — WHICH COULD LEAD TO APPARENT BOOMS AND BUSTS AS, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE REGION BECAME POPULATED AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS — ARE ANOTHER. BUT, DOWNEY NOTES, POPULATION TRENDS IN NEIGHBORING REGIONS ARE “CONSISTENTLY COORDINATED THROUGH TIME,” SEEMINGLY NEGATING SUCH MIGRATIONS AS A LIKELY EXPLANATION. THE MAIN ADVANCEMENT OF THE WORK IS THAT IT HAS TAKEN “THE SCDPD METHOD TO THE NEXT LEVEL,” SAYS MIIKKA TALLAVAARA, AN ARCHAEOLOGIST AT THE UNIVERSITY OF HELSINKI IN FINLAND WHO WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE STUDY. THE NEW STATISTICAL PROCEDURE IS IMPORTANT, HE SAYS, BECAUSE FAULTY RADIOCARBON CALIBRATIONS CAN CAUSE “ARTIFICIAL PEAKS AND TROUGHS” IN POPULATION DENSITIES. IT’S ALSO THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE HAS SHOWN “WITH A LARGE AMOUNT OF DATA, HOW CONSISTENT THE [BOOM AND BUST] PATTERN IS OVER LARGE AREAS.” HOWEVER, TALLAVAARA SAYS, IT’S TOO SOON TO TOSS OUT THE LINK BETWEEN THE POPULATION COLLAPSES AND CLIMATIC COOLING, NOTING THAT “WITH DIFFERENT, MORE [LOCALLY] REPRESENTATIVE PROXIES,” THE TEAM “MIGHT HAVE COME TO A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION REGARDING THE IMPACT OF CLIMATE.” AT THIS POINT, DOWNEY SAYS, “WE DON’T REALLY KNOW WHAT CAUSED THESE COLLAPSES.” WHAT IS CLEAR IS THAT THE BUSTS MUST HAVE HAD MAJOR IMPLICATIONS FOR EARLY EUROPEAN SOCIETIES, as well as major effects on the landscape.[/b][/QUOTE] http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/10/plague-germs-may-have-facilitated.html [QUOTE][b] Plague germs may have facilitated Bronze Age expansions from the steppe Summary: The bacteria Yersinia pestis is the etiological agent of plague and has caused human pandemics with millions of deaths in historic times. How and when it originated remains contentious. Here, we report the oldest direct evidence of Yersinia pestis identified by ancient DNA in human teeth from Asia and Europe dating from 2,800 to 5,000 years ago. By sequencing the genomes, we find that these ancient plague strains are basal to all known Yersinia pestis. We find the origins of the Yersinia pestis lineage to be at least two times older than previous estimates. We also identify a temporal sequence of genetic changes that lead to increased virulence and the emergence of the bubonic plague. Our results show that plague infection was endemic in the human populations of Eurasia at least 3,000 years before any historical recordings of pandemics. [IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iPzm-_ApeXU/ViloU4wL4BI/AAAAAAAADm8/Qejk02tduRg/s300/Plague_in_Bronze_Age_Eurasia.png[/IMG] Rasmussen et al., Early Divergent Strains of Yersinia pestis in Eurasia 5,000 Years Ago, Cell, Volume 163, Issue 3, p571–582, 22 October 2015, DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2015.10.009 Also, some juicy quotes at ScienceDaily: [i]Study co-author Dr Marta Mirazón-Lahr, from Cambridge's Leverhulme Centre for Human Evolutionary Studies (LCHES), points out that a study earlier this year from Willerslev's Copenhagen group showed the Bronze Age to be a highly active migratory period, which could have led to the spread of pneumonic plague. "The Bronze Age was a period of major metal weapon production, and it is thought increased warfare, which is compatible with emerging evidence of large population movements at the time. If pneumonic plague was carried as part of these migrations, it would have had devastating effects on small groups they encountered," she said. "Well-documented cases have shown the pneumonic plague's chain of infection can go from a single hunter or herder to ravaging an entire community in two to three days."[/i] IMPORTANT AND INFORMATIVE COMMENTS FROM POST: "[i]Alberto said... This has been suggested here before. Migrants from far away places can often bring viruses or bacteria with them that can have a big impact on the local population who have not developed the same kind of resistance to it. A secret, powerful and quiet weapon that cannot be ignored as a possibility. Maybe if we relate this to the apparent population bottleneck (some recent study about it) that most of Europe experienced at the time, and the huge founder effects that we see, we might have something interesting. Now that Lactase Persistance seems not to make a great case by itself, this hypothesis might be worth a closer look.[/i]" "[i]Sonic Reducer said... The Americas are a perfect example of what new disease, can do to an indigenous population. From something like 50 million pre Columbian Amerindians to 5 million present day?[/i] " [i]"Matt said... Possibly you could see this as linked to the population turnover, although unlike with the Americas it would be harder to see why disease should go from one direction to the other (there it is clear that the larger Eurasian network and lack of the Beringian cold filter and different presence of domesticate animals and human related fauna generally seems to be what led to an imbalance in virulent disease, even if this may get exaggerated). Although there is still possibility - steppe populations from Afanasievo to Yamnaya could have picked up and had an adaptive edge on nasties from burgeoning agricultural populations of China, for instance, that weren't commonly around in West Eurasia (despite probably not much / any cultural contact with East Asia). The usual hypothesis on Black Plague is marmots in Mongolia, AFAIK."[/i] [i]"andrew said... There are several viable reasons for a Neolithic bottleneeck in Europe. 1. Climate events. 2. Farming collapse due to over exploitation of resources like soils. 3. Plague. Immuno-impairment caused by poor diet caused by (1) or (2) could easily boost (3)."[/i] "[i]Rob said... @ Roy Exactly ! I suspect plague preceded the Bronze Age populations. It’s certainly a more sound explanation of why there was a late neolithic collapse- from central Anatolia to Scandinavia - without resorting to socially "imaginative" and chronologically impossible tales. This hypothetical plague appeared to have hit G2a men most of all. On the Y-chromosome lies the male-specific immunohistocompatability complex Y-HC, involved with T cell (CD8 and CD4 T cells) regulation. If not related to that, then it must also have been related to the overcrowded conditions of densely populated tell settlements and tepe, living in close quarters with animals, etc. the WHGs were more resilient because they were less densely populated and continued a broader economy, similar with the eastern pastoralist groups who moved in the wake of this population collapse into scantily uninhabited land in central Europe.[/i]" "[i]Rob said... Krefter Very few if any serious contributors mentioned anything about mass slaughter, although warfare seems to have been endemic *within* local farmer communities in Europe ; as it was likely later *within* the steppe- with mutually antagonistic pastoralist groups clambering for the best pastures and trade routes- hence the local turnovers, replacements and departure of one group to central-western Europe. Rather, What needs revising is the "elite conquest" model- at least for the earlier part of PIE history[/i]" "[i]Karl_K said... @postneo These bacteria lack the flea associated genes. So they could only be spread by mammal to mammal contact. But this does not mean that they were any less deadly. It spreads through direct contact, but will kill people 90% of the time anyway. The flea transmission was a killer in later cities, where large domestic animals were at a distance. This could have been just as deadly when everyone lived in very close proximity to herds of mammals.[/i]" "[i]Grey said... If there was an earlier spread of steppe dudes into the LBK as a small minority (metal workers, horse traders, bouncers, whatever) bringing their animals with them that could provide a vector.[/i]" [/b][/QUOTE]^^^Clearly from gathering the information from those sources, EUROPE WAS DENSELY POPULATED BY BLACK EUROPEANS FROM THE START OF THE NEOLITHIC AGE! When farming and agriculture spread to Europe, THERE WAS A LARGE INCREASE IN THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF BLACK EUROPEANS SUCH THAT DENSELY POPULATED TOWNS BEGAN TO SPRING UP! And articles like the ones I mentioned above SIMPLY PROVE THAT! As the article themselves makes clear, THERE WERE BOOM AND BUSTS OF BLACK EUROPEAN POPULATIONS WHEN AGRICULTURE SPREAD TO EUROPE FROM OUTSIDE OF EUROPE VIA BLACK/COLORED MIDDLE EASTERN/ANATOLIAN FARMERS! The reason why THERE WERE CYCLIC BOOM AND BUSTS OF POPULATIONS IN ANCIENT BLACK/COLORED EUROPE WAS BECAUSE OF THE REALITY OF PLAGUE AND VIRAL OUTBREAKS AND DISEASE TRANSMISSIONS AS DESCRIBED IN MY DISEASES AND PARASITES OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE LINK! Back then safe hygiene and sanitation practices was not completely known and neither was awareness about various plagues and diseases. Back then disease and plague outbreaks would have occurred MORE SO THEN THE LATE GRECO-ROMAN PERIOD, simply because it was an early period in history where accurate knowledge about cleanliness and food safety and sanitation was not known, or about disease/germs in general; AND THIS IS WHAT CAUSED BOOMS AND BUSTS OF EARLY BLACK EUROPEAN FARMER POPULATIONS, WHICH SUBSEQUENTLY AS MY ARTICLES SHOW, MADE THEM VULNERABLE TO MASSIVE MIGRATIONS FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES AND INVASIONS OR OUTSIDE PARTIES! And because of this reality, EUROPE HAD TO BE DENSELY POPULATED OR HAVE DENSELY POPULATED TOWNS AND REGIONS, IN ORDER FOR THESE ANCIENT EUROPEAN BOOM AND BUSTS CYCLES OF NEOLITHIC EUROPEAN POPULATIONS TO HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE! Because those boom and busts cycles of neolithic Black European populations TOOK PLACE BECAUSE OF THE REALITY OF PLAGUE AND VIRAL OUTBREAKS THAT AROSE AFTER A GIVEN PLACE OR REGION HAD DENSELY POPULATED AND CLOSELY COMPACTED HUMAN POPULATIONS OR CENTERS! And my links and sources clearly shows that as a high very likely factor and probability! However White Indo-Europeans of the steppes, at this point in history; in addition to being a highly mobile and illiterate population that did not build standing towns and cities or civilizations or practice formal agriculture, and WERE VERY NOMADIC; DID NOT live IN DENSELY POPULATED CITIES AND TOWNS AND CIVILIZATIONS! EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT HAVE CARRIED NUMEROUS DISEASES AND VECTOR'S FOR PLAGUES FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES, AND BUILT A POSSIBLE IMMUNITY TO IT IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING EXPERIENCE WITH THESE PLAGUES/GERMS! White Indo-Europeans SETTLED IN NORTHERN-NORTH-EAST EUROPE WHEN THEY FIRST BEGAN TO MIGRATE TO EUROPE FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES FIRST, WHICH WAS MOSTLY UNCULTIVATED LAND AND HEAVILY FORESTED, AND DID NOT HAVE ANY MAJOR CIVILIZATIONS OR URBAN POPULATION CENTERS THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THEM VULNERABLE TO DISEASE AND PLAGUE OUTBREAKS! White Indo-Europeans DID NOT LIVE AN URBAN SETTLED LIFESTYLE LIKE EARLY BLACK EUROPEANS DID IN EUROPE WHEN THEY ARRIVED TO EUROPE AND SETTLED IN NORTHERN EUROPE! And even when White Indo-Europeans decided to explore and settle early Europe, IN NORTHERN EUROPE DURING THE NEOLITHIC-BRONZE AGE, THEY WERE STILL A POPULATION MINORITY COMPARED TO THE HEAVILY POPULATED AND HIGH DENSITY POPULATIONS OF BLACK EUROPEANS IN THE SOUTHERN EUROPEAN REGIONS! And White Indo-Europeans HAD MORE EXPERIENCE WITH SIBERIAN AND PSEUDO-ICE AGE LIKE CONDITIONS THEN EARLY BLACK EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION BUILDERS, BECAUSE THEY LIVED IN SETTINGS WITH SUCH CHARACTERISTICS FOR MOST OF THEIR LIVES, AT THIS EARLY POINT IN HISTORY, SINCE THEY ORIGINATED FROM THE SIBERIAN STEPPES; SUCH THAT THEY EVOLVED AND BUILT AN ADAPTATION TO IT UNLIKE EARLY BLACK EUROPEAN POPULATIONS OF SOUTHERN EUROPE! Thus the little Ice age did not end up hurting White Indo-European peoples as much because they had experience with dealing with such climates.... [QUOTE] Come on MOM. Mike says Europe was not densely populated by anybody until "the second invasion of Central Asian Albinos started circa year zero A.D. By it's end, circa 600-700 A.D.[b] Central Asia had been all but emptied of Albinos,[/b] when the Mongols chased the last ones - the Turks out of Asia."[/QUOTE]Again I really don't care WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS OR THINKS! WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE FACTS, LOGIC, EVIDENCE, REASONING, AND CLUES! THAT IS WHAT I'M MAKING MY IDEAS OUT OF AND BASING MY CLAIMS ON! Clearly EUROPE HAD DENSELY POPULATED REGIONS AS EARLY AS THE NEOLITHIC AND THE EVIDENCE IS THERE IN THIS THREAD IN MY POSTS! And WHAT TRULY KILLED AND MADE BLACK EUROPE VULNERABLE TO POPULATIONS CHANGE AND INVASIONS AND MIGRATIONS FROM THE EURASIAN STEPPES, WAS THE FACTORS OF DISASTROUS CLIMATE CHANGE, PLAGUE/VIRAL/DISEASE OUTBREAKS AND TRANSMISSION, CIVILIZATION AND DEMOGRAPHIC DECLINE, AND MASSIVE DROUGHTS AND CROP PRODUCTION FAILURES, AND WARS/CIVIL WARS! And all the evidence has been made CLEAR IN THIS VERY THREAD! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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