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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] [b]Let's see...... No you haven't really disproved anything I said in this thread at all, in terms OF THE MAIN IDEA OF THE LITTLE ICE AGE EVENT BEING A MAJOR DEPOPULATION AND POPULATION ELIMINATION/ERADICATION EVENT IN EUROPE WHEN IT TOOK PLACE! Yes the little Ice age DID INDEED play a MAJOR part in helping eliminate and destroy Black European populations from that date in time as well as various other factors; AND YES EUROPE WAS DENSELY POPULATED BY BLACKS AS MY OTHER PROOF'S ABOVE THAT I HAVE SHOWN! EUROPE WAS DENSELY AS EARLY AS THE NEOLITHIC TIME PERIOD, WHEN FARMING AND AGRICULTURE WAS FIRST TRANSPORTED TO EUROPE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST REGION, RELATIVE TO THE TIME PERIOD OF DURING THE NEOLITHIC, TO THE ANCIENT GRECO-ROMAN PERIOD! [/b] I have no doubt blacks were in Europe- just the Moors would show that, not to mention earlier moves from Africa, and via the Middle East. But you have provided no credible evidence that all these blacks were "killed off" because of said Ice Age. The burden of proof is on you to prove your claim. You document things NOT at issue- such as a cold period, deaths in some areas, or the presence of various blacks. None of these is at issue. What is at issue is your notion of all "blacks" being killed off. FOr one thing you have yet to define who a "black" is supposed to be. Why do you skip over that? If you are classifying everyone with a brown skin as "black" your argument is deeply flawed, for brown southern Euros, Turks and Mongols can then be called "black." This is a dubious "catch-all" category allowing you to shoehorn whatever you want into them, but few would take such methods seriously. Second, you have not given any number of these "blacks" floating around Europe, and third you still have not shown specifically where the ice age killed all these "blacks." Yes people died during the Little Ice Age, but how many "blacks" died compared to albinos? Were "black" death rates higher or lower than the whites? In what areas were the black doom rates higher? You have put nothing serious on the table showing these numbers. If you had said SOME blacks were affected fine, but you go making these sweeping statements. [b]As I explained in this thread, so there you got it you got outside disasters and plagues and this completely shook Black Europe to their knees, once that happened Europe was ripe for the picking for Albino's. [/b] You still have not adequately answered Mike's question as to why the disasters would mostly affect blacks. And Albino Europe was doing pretty well by the LIA without needing many blacks. The Germanic and Celtic peoples lagged behind say Egypt, Nubia etc in ancient time, but by the LIA starting 1150AD had developed elaborate cultures as any textbook shows. The albinos did not have to "wait for the blacks to die off." [b]Once disasters like this occurred, these major agrarian system collapsed, thus this killed off major numbers of the populations of these towns and cities which were again, which I don't dispute, mostly filled with black/brown skinned people; since after all it was blacks/browns that built the towns and civilizations of old Europe and not the Germanic/Slavic barbarian tribes in antiquity.[/b] This is so ludicrous that it smacks of yet another troll strawman, after which you will go to some other forum and talk about the "crazy ideas" that "the Afrocentrics" on ES "believe." People are already on to this idiotic game. It won't work anymore. And anyone coming to ES and going the the discussions can see the fake setup of alleged "crazies" is sheer nonsense. And in fact the Germanic and Slavic peoples had plenty of towns in place BEFORE the LIA, as did the Romans, Greeks and other Southern Euros. Just a look at pre-roman Britain for example shows numerous towns as in pre-Roman Germany. Errors are so obvious.. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/159526011779875793/ No one is being fooled by the lame BS you are pushing. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bunch of rubbish that I simply do not have to read, as anyone with a working pair of eyes and a brain, and a non-brain-washed mind, can read the sources and clues in my thread, AND COME TO THE EXACT CORRECT AND SAME FACT BASED CONCLUSIONS AS ME! I'm not going to go to the merit and proofs of whether Blacks were the first to populate and build civilizations in Europe, as we already have multiple threads on this forum that have proved just that. HOWEVER, THE COMBINED FACTORS AND FORCES OF BOTH SEVERE AND DESTRUCTIVE CLIMATE CHANGE PATTERNS IN THE FORM OF WIDE-SPREAD COOLING IN THE EUROPEAN PENINSULA; AND THE RESULTANT CROP AND AGRICULTURE PRODUCTION FAILURES, WIDE-SPREAD DROUGHTS AND AGRARIAN PRODUCTION MALFUNCTIONS, AND THE INABILITY TO MEET ADEQUATE PRODUCTION NEEDS AND LEVELS OF THE CIVILIZATION'S AS A RESULT OF CONTINENTAL WIDE CLIMATE COOLING PERIODS, THAT PRECEDED AND EXISTED BEFORE SAID CLIMATE CHANGE TOOK PLACE IN THE REGION OF SAID CIVILIZATION TO ENVELOP AND AFFECT IT ON THE EUROPEAN PENINSULA; COMBINED WITH THE FACTOR OF WIDE SCALE PANDEMICS AND PLAGUE AND SICKNESS OUTBREAKS, set force EVENTS AND PATTERNS AND CYCLES OF CIVILIZATION AFFECTING POPULATION DISPLACEMENT AND ELIMINATION, DEMOGRAPHIC DECLINE, POPULATION DECREASES, AND EVEN OUTRIGHT COLLAPSE OF THE PRIMARY CITIES/URBAN CENTERS/TOWNS/INSTITUTIONS OF THE AFFECTED CIVILIZATION BY SAID FACTORS DESCRIBED ABOVE! And again, if you don't believe me, PLEASE GO THROUGH ALL MY SOURCES VERY CAREFULLY, READ AND LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND CLUES I HAVE GIVEN SO FAR AND WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, AS WELL AS THE NEW SOURCES THAT I POSTED DIRECTLY PROVING AND SUPPORTING WHAT I AM SAYING IN THIS THREAD AND HAVE BEEN SAYING UP TILL NOW; IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME! The simple reason why you and mike are not agreeing with me, is because you are angry and pissed off, that you never actually came across this very important event in European history in the first place and weren't aware of it, DESPITE SUPPOSEDLY BEING DEEPLY KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND CLAIMING TO BE SO, ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF EUROPEAN HISTORY BY YOUR OWN VOLITION'S ON THIS FORUM! And you guys can't accept the fact that a new and younger member knew this before you ALL ALONG AND JUST SPILLED THE BEANS AND SPREAD AWARENESS AND EDUCATION OF IT BEFORE YOU GUYS AND WITHOUT YOU GUYS KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BEFORE I MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT HERE ON ES! BUT ALSO BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU HAVE FIXED AND RIGID CLOSE-MINDED, BLACK AND WHITE, ACCEPTED IDEAS AND DOGMA'S, AND ASSUMPTIONS AND CONCEPTS OF HOW THE HISTORY OF THE EUROPEAN PENINSULA PLAYED OUT! AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT TO CHANGE AND WANT THOSE VIEWS & ASSUMPTIONS CHALLENGED WITH NEW IDEAS AND CONCEPTS AND FACTS, WITH POSSIBLE DESTRUCTION OF THEM, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM; SINCE ALSO BECAUSE THOSE PRECONCEIVED AND RIGIDLY ACCEPTED VIEWS, ASSUMPTIONS AND IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE OF THIS SUBJECT AND TOPIC, IS ALSO TIED WITH YOUR VERY FRAIL VULNERABLE GIANT EGO'S AND SENSE OF IDENTITY AND KNOWLEDGE CREDIBILITY IN RELATION TO THE PERSONA'S THAT YOU ESPOUSE AND TAKE ONLINE ON THIS FORUM! WITH THE IMPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE TO BRING DOWN, ATTACK, AND OUTRIGHT RIDICULE ANYONE THAT CHALLENGES SUCH THINGS BECAUSE IT THREATENS THESE IDEAS, THESE RIGID CLOSE-MINDED ASSUMPTIONS, AND YOUR EGO'S AND SENSE OF CREDIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE! However that is not my problem, and it's NOT my problem that you two cannot ACCEPT DIRECT EVIDENCE AND FACTS AND REALITIES THAT CHALLENGE YOUR ALREADY EXISTING SET IN STONE ASSUMPTIONS! And again if you don't believe me, then all you have to do is GO THROUGH MY THREAD AND ALL THE EVIDENCE AND SOURCES THAT I HAVE POSTED SO FAR HERE, INCLUDING THE NEW ONE S ABOVE ME! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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