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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: Something interesting in Ennafaa 2009 points to a possibility of indigenous H subclades [QUOTE] ... a high female permeability has been deduced from several mitochondrial studies that pointed to the existence of an important maternal Iberian input on North Africa [15,19]. Although [URL=http://underscore]there is no archaeological evidence to justify such a demic flow from Iberia to North Africa[/URL], based on the phylogeographic range, comparative gene diversity and ages of several mitochondrial haplogroups such as V, H1, H3, and U5b1b [25,37,26], the presence of these haplogroups in North Africa is [i]thought[/i] to be the result of a [URL=http://underscore]southward expansion of Palaeolithic hunter-gatherers from the Franco-Cantabrian refuge after the Last Glacial Maximum[/URL]. In fact, coalescence ages for H1 and H3 subclades estimated in this study are in good agreement with those previously published and are congruent with these expansions.[/QUOTE]Archaeology is against cultural and demic Iberian input at and following the coalescence time of H1,3 in WNW Africa. To me this means already in a few thousand years WNW African bearers of H1,3 etc., didn't act or too much look like their Iberian co-H1,3 bearers. [QUOTE] Coalescence ages for H1 (11 ± 2 ky) and H3 (11 ± 4 ky) in North Africa point to the possibility of a late Palaeolithic settlement for these lineages similar to those found for other mtDNA haplogroups. . . . Whole mtDNA sequencing of identical H haplotypes based on HVSI and RFLP information has unveiled additional mtDNA differences between North African and Iberian Peninsula lineages, pointing to an older mtDNA genetic flow between regions than previously thought. [/QUOTE]Sensible, especially considering during the LGM there was no ice blocking the way to the Maghreb and the strait was narrower than now. There was no need to wait for post-LGM climate induced expansion to move immediately southward though Last Glacial Arid Maximum conditions limited expansion much beyond the Maghreb. Though culturally and somewhat phenotypically distinct Pre-Holocene NNW Africa and part of Iberia were geographically and climatically one region. Keita's and Frigi's ideas on indigenous clades and/or sub-clades of some "EurAsian" haplogroups is supported by the above. It's not unreasonable to question African or Eurasian origins when examining co-existing pre-neolithic mtDNA hgs Frequency, coalescence, and especially diversity values determine nrY and mtDNA haplogroup origins. Ennafaa notes no statistcal difference in the below. [CODE]_________ H1 ____________________________ H3 _________ freq diversity coalescence ____ freq diversity coalescence NAfrica__ 42%_ 67 ± 6 __ 11,366 ± 2,354__ 13%_ 74 ± 9___ 10,866 ± 4,107 Iberia___ 45%_ 75 ± 3 __ 14,201 ± 2,984__ 16%_ 65 ± 6___ 10,342 ± 2,634[/CODE]Yet 76% of North African H lineages are unique. [URL=http://rk] If women were the potters cardial pottery seems an archaeolocical indicator for Neolithic Iberian phenotype females setting up shop immediately across the opposite strait.[/URL] [IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/731g5c.gif[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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