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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nehesy: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sudaniya: [qb] Why are people going along with Celticwarriores and her false claim that the Barbary pirates were black when we know for a fact that they were Arabs or coastal Berbers? Not one historian would agree with the assertion that the Barbary pirates were black. [/qb][/QUOTE]Actually they were mostly Turks (during the dominance of the Ottoman Empire in North Africa), and/or European descent from Italy, Spain, Flemish, French,Greece, England, Germany, Hungary, Slavic areas, Black Sea, Britons etc. Few Examples : - Soliman Raïs (De Veeboer) was of Flemish Origin - Morat Raïs (Jan Janszoon van Haerlem) was also of Dutch, Flemish - Barbarossa brothers who were also (partly or totally)of European Descent Most of the Barbary Pirates were former European slaves kidnapped in Europe or Christians renegates who adopted islam. Turks, Janissaries and their new renegates allies dominated the local population (Berbers who think that they are/were Arabs). A French citizen of the 17th century (Thévenot) advised people traveling to Algiers, to not speak in Italian if they wanted some privacy in their discussion. I agree when you said that white people were already in North Africa during antiquity, as acknowledged by scholars like Cheikh Anta Diop, or Stéphane Gsell...In Carthage they was many slaves taken in Sicily or Spain ( Gilbert and Colette Charles - Picard). North Africa was also a source of slaves for Romans ( like Terrence Afer) and most certainly for Arabs, who deported millions of Berbers (from 7th to 10th century) when they conquered North Africa. Specially women concubines (jawaris) and children sold in Iraq, Arabia, Damas or Egypt...When Berbers became more and more muslims, Muslim slave traders (Kharijites Ibadites Berbers, who were former slaves of the Arabs) look after new sources of slaves and turned towards Subsahara Africa for new supplies...Scholars like Ibn Khaldoun or more recently Mohamed Talbi or Hisham Djaït (both from Tunisia) have described this Muslim slave trade in North Africans Berbers. North Africa received hundred thousands of Moriscos because of Spanish Inquisition, millions of white slaves ( Robert Davis, Gillian Weiss etc), hundred thousands of christian renegates, and some free whites (like the Portuguese who took refuge in Morocco). The big supply of white slaves started with the muslim conquest of Spain in the 7th century. Then Mulisms used (mostly) West African gold (Bilad Al Tibr or Land of Gold)to buy white slaves and eunuchs (saqalibas) all over Europe ( England, France, Slavic countries). Spain was the slave clearing house for the Maghreb and all the Muslim world. Radhanite merchants were the sellers... Ibn Khurradadhbih (Kitab Al Masalik wal Mamalik) describe those white slaves in North Africa who were very present in the Aghlabid State of North Africa. Two interesting recent books have been written about those Barbary pirates, they are in French (may translated in English) : - "Les Chrétiens d'Allah" by Bartolomé (and Lucile) Bennassar - "Les Barbaresques" by Jacques Heers Murad Bey of Tunisia and Jawhar Al Saqili (who founded Al Azhar) were both former European slaves respectively from Corsica and Sicily. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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