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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mansfield9: I'm still all ears if you happen to find a literary reference of the word "black" used as an adjective to mean pale. But I'm sure you will ignore that. As there is no such example in real life. [/QUOTE]I never said that black means pale nevertheless here is an example: https://books.google.com/books?id=699BAQAAMAAJ&pg=PP279&dq=%22it+is+remarkable+that+black,+bleak%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjglNH [IMG]https://www.dralimelbey.com/uploads/1/3/5/9/13595635/611404.jpg?435[/IMG] An American Dictionary of the English Language Noah Webster - 1828 Even in modern "society the term "black" isn't applied consistently between all non-human objects or animals -and humans, not at all [IMG]https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.goodhousekeeping.co.uk%2Fmain%2Fembedded%2F29487%2Fmilk-chocolate-good-housekeeping__medium.jpg%3F20170227092859&f=1[/IMG] For instance objects like this chocolate are considered to be brown. Brown bears have brown colored fur and black bears have black colored fur. Yet a person with unmistakably brown skin such as this man is most often referred to as "black" . Even today color words are not applied with a consistent standard when it applies to humans. And in the 17th century they had their own inconsistencies. [IMG]https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1523/54/1523549042955.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EMpzaw5noQY/TmVOHHtqFKI/AAAAAAAAHbs/mslipAWqDz8/s1600/colin-farrell-2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/67/0f/topVQja5_o.png[/IMG] The actor Colin Farrell. He is considered not to be pale. Look at the color of his cheek and compare it to the collar of his shirt - not close in color. In old Europe there were some Africans or people resembling Africans but a very small proportion as compared to today. If African they would be considered foreigners. Older writers applied the term "black" in inconsistent ways and not as a racial concept as in modern society and one writer might not be consistent with another writer. So some of these writers might call a European person was not considered pale -called "black" sometimes. At the same time the word "black" also applied to an African person who might have much darker skin. This is relative to the demographics back then and the fact that they did not have a clear concept of "race" and a standardized color labeled racial system until later. Today there are many more people of African descent in America and Europe and the word "black" has a strong racial connotation. In old Europe it did not, so a European that would not be called black today might be called black then unless they were very light skinned pale. "Black" not as a racial category but as a loosely applied descriptive term meaning anything not very light pale. Similarly Professor David R. Roediger of the University of Illinois, suggests that the construction of the white race in the United States was an effort to mentally distance slave owners from slaves. By the 18th century, white had become well established as a racial term. Prior to that time it was not invested with the political significance it has today, both these terms "white" and "black" The "Common sense" of today is the common sense of a few hundred years ago, the common changes [/QB][/QUOTE]
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