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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Amun-Ra The Ultimate[/b]: The problem with self-identification is that it's often based on social, religious or economic pressure. People will often self-identify with the group that protect more their survival or "socio-economic" interests. Blending in, so to say. Especially true in society which are more racist and bigot. . . . So contrary to what you say, self-identification is often not something done to express one's liberty, diversity, true identity and uniqueness, but on the contrary, used as a way to fit in with the general social group. . . . Obviously, other people also self-identify with their family/historical/biological lineages no matter what situation they are in. As I already mentioned, this is important in this site or for genetic study where we discuss ancestral lineages and haplogroups for example. Said quickly, "recent" immigrant people who self-identify with the local population of adoption, instead of their historical/biological ancestry, is not something good to study **ancient** population structure. They "falsify" the data to some degree. You want to know your real ancestry in Europe or Africa. You live in America, you're an American, but you want to know what ancient population (not modern) you ancestors where part of. Celtic? Saxons? Yoruba? Wolof? Natives-Americans? etc. [/QUOTE]. There is a people in the USA once known as Colored People. Also/later they were known as the Negro People. After a few other naming peregrinations many many settled on African American. As is well known some small percentage of them have at best miniscule to no African ancestry but phenotypically and even by genome indelineable from Europeans -- and there are indigenous Europeans who do have African deep rooted uniparentals acquired thousands of years ago. These are sociological coloreds/negroes/blacks. Your words are very applicable to them. They should stop faking African American identity? No? BTW National identity transcends ethnic/tribal identities. Do you know your ethnicity or tribal descent or only your nationality and a colour based subset thereof? My ethny resides in many nations but my particular tribal subset of that ethny is primarily relegated to two countries. Nationality is a relatively trivial and chameleon identity more important to politics and subject to change with immigration. Nothing can or will alter my family, clan, tribe, ethnic identity unless I chose to adopt another. Many have adopted an ethnic identity different from that of birth simply by occupation. All free human beings have the right of self-determination including ethnic identity no matter who dislikes it for whatever reason and would like to dictate identity to a person or people, whom they do not even know. Personally, I call that a form of fascism exercised by those who feel they have the authority to define reality or declare what reality is for others not themselves. Anyone secure in their actual self-determined identity really doesn't care what identity any outsiders would foist on them regardless what artificial means is used be it colour or even genome. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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