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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Amun-Ra The Ultimate[/b]: The problem with self-identification is that it's often based on social, religious or economic pressure. People will often self-identify with the group that protect more their survival or "socio-economic" interests. Blending in, so to say. Especially true in society which are more racist and bigot. . . . So contrary to what you say, self-identification is often not something done to express one's liberty, diversity, true identity and uniqueness, but on the contrary, used as a way to fit in with the general social group. . . . Obviously, other people also self-identify with their family/historical/biological lineages no matter what situation they are in. As I already mentioned, this is important in this site or for genetic study where we discuss ancestral lineages and haplogroups for example. Said quickly, "recent" immigrant people who self-identify with the local population of adoption, instead of their historical/biological ancestry, is not something good to study **ancient** population structure. They "falsify" the data to some degree. You want to know your real ancestry in Europe or Africa. You live in America, you're an American, but you want to know what ancient population (not modern) you ancestors where part of. Celtic? Saxons? Yoruba? Wolof? Natives-Americans? etc. [/QUOTE]If you don't have the intention to reply to what is said in my post, there's no need to quote me then. [QUOTE] BTW National identity transcends ethnic/tribal identities. Do you know your ethnicity or tribal descent or only your nationality and a colour based subset thereof? [/QUOTE]The identity of someone is like Russian nested dolls. It's all part of the same whole. Starting with one's individuality/personality, to the close family, larger family, neighborhood, city, country, ethnic group, human. Those are all part of our identity. [QUOTE] All free human beings have the right of self-determination including ethnic identity no matter who dislikes it for whatever reason and would like to dictate identity to a person or people, whom they do not even know. Personally, I call that a form of fascism exercised by those who feel they have the authority to define reality or declare what reality is for others not themselves. Anyone secure in their actual self-determined identity really doesn't care what identity any outsiders would foist on them regardless what artificial means is used be it colour or even genome. [/QUOTE]People can do what they want in life (change lifestyle, values, personality, religions,etc) and pick any identity they want but to study genetically Ancient Egypt history and ancient population structure we would still like people to say the truth about their real family/biological lineages. It doesn't prevent anybody to do what they want in life and pick any identity they want to. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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