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[QUOTE]Originally posted by xyyman: [QB] Turmoil in the Steppe camp . No he is staring to CENSOR anyone who disagrees with his Steppe nonsense. ---- From Davidski Quote: Confirmation bias Every time I put up a thread that is even remotely linked to the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) homeland [b]debate it gets hijacked by people[/b] who appear to have a pathological hate for the Kurgan PIE theory. You'd think that considering the latest ancient DNA results from across Eurasia, which have thus far been very favorable to the Kurgan theory, these people would pipe down a little, at least for the time being, until something shows up that genuinely supports their stance. But nope. The amount of confirmation [b]bias in such threads is phenomenal[/b]. I'm going to[b] start blocking and deleting[/b] the worst examples of this nonsense[b] from now on[/b]. I'd also urge all reasonable and objective commentators here to try and ignore such comments, so that the offenders are left with no one to talk to. If you're not quite sure how to spot an off-the-dial confirmation bias effort, here's an example from the last thread. I couldn't be bothered replying to this [b]claptrap [/b]initially, but I will now, just to illustrate how off the mark it really is. quote: March 2, 2017 at 2:39 AM Blogger mickeydodds1 said... What would this site be without the unhinged quibbling and chauvinism? March 2, 2017 at 4:26 AM Blogger Onur Dinçer said... Also, please note that this R1a-rich population came from somewhere west of the Caspian Steppe, possibly the Pontic Steppe or the nearby forest steppe, because it had a higher level of Middle Neolithic European farmer admixture than the R1b-rich population that it replaced. So it's impossible to posit that this was an invasion from Asia, that pushed the R1b-rich population to the Atlantic. Not to mention the fact that eastern [b]Yamnaya R1b belonged to the Z2105 subclade of L23 rather than L51 that western Europeans have[/b]. Assuming that western Yamnaya was rich in L51 rather than Z2105, this would cause a serious [b]problem for the push to the Atlantic hypothesis [/b]as it would imply that only western Yamnaya was pushed to the Atlantic by R1a people supposed to come from Asia and that eastern Yamnaya was pushed to the south towards Anatolia and the Balkans instead. Such a selective push of various Yamnaya groups by R1a people supposedly[b] from Asia is highly implausible[/b]. March 2, 2017 at 5:12 AM Blogger Nirjhar007 said... And another thing . You say that for millennia R1a and R1b 'IE Groups' it seems that R1a-rich and R1b-rich steppe clans did their own thing when expanding into Asia and Europe during the Eneolithic and Early Bronze Age . Did their own thing okay. So according to this, perhaps the R1a and R1b blokes , [b]did dna testings and after a meeting they planned to 'expand' y-dna wise?. [/b] xxyyman comment: HA! HA! Ha! hA! HA! Is that suggestion more reasonable or the suggestion that , they were of different linguistic groups?. Endogamy played the role yes and perhaps some inter ethnic bride exogamy . But its simply not possible to say that they both belonged to same language i.e. IE . Its not possible to suggest that IE comes from R1 bifurcation . And at later stage R1a IEs started to dominate R1b, the bad asses in your language , the Sintashta Types . Possibly due to population expansion and invasions. Remember that this idea that R1a is the PIE , is not and old 'pre-conceived' notion of mine , I had the doubts of PIE being R1a+R1b since R1b didn't exist in notable manner in S Asia, and R1a is the most common clade throughout IE groups worldwide or almost a universal IE clade . March 2, 2017 at 5:24 AM Blogger Davidski said... Nah, that's just another straw man. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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