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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [IMG]https://i.imgbox.com/9GaKYyPN.png[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: So how does tearing down a statue end racism in America? And once you start where do you stop? [/QUOTE]Somebody could argue that tearing down these statues may not end racism but that it is better that the government doesn't sponsor heros of the slave holding states ___________________________ Wikipedia, Washington's retirement [qb] Washington retired from the presidency in March 1797 and returned to Mount Vernon with a profound sense of relief. He devoted much time to his plantations and other business interests, including his distillery, which produced its first batch of spirits in February 1797. Chernow 2010 explains that his plantation operations were only minimally profitable. The lands out west yielded little income because they were under attack by Indians, and the squatters living there refused to pay him rent. Washington attempted to sell off these holdings but failed to obtain the price that he desired. Meanwhile, he was losing money at Mount Vernon due to a glut of unproductive slaves, which he declined to sell due to a desire to keep families intact, and due to questions as to whether the slaves rightfully belonged to him or to Martha. Most Americans assumed that he was rich because of the well-known "glorified façade of wealth and grandeur" at Mount Vernon,nearly all his wealth was tied up in land or slaves. Historians estimate that his estate was worth about $1 million in 1799 dollars, equivalent to about $19.9 million in 2014 purchasing power. http://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/slavery/ Mount Vernon website [QUOTE] Washington took control of the Mount Vernon property in 1754, the population of Fairfax County was around 6,500 people, of whom a little more than 1,800 or about 28% were slaves of African origin. The proportion of slaves in the population as a whole rose throughout the century; by the end of the American Revolution, over 40% of the people living in Fairfax County were slaves. Sources offer differing insight into Washington's behavior as a slave owner. On one end of the spectrum, Richard Parkinson, an Englishman who lived near Mount Vernon, once reported that "it was the sense of all his [Washington's] neighbors that he treated [his slaves] with more severity than any other man." Conversely, a foreign visitor traveling in America once recorded that George Washington dealt with the people he enslaved "far more humanely than do his fellow citizens of Virginia." What is clear is that Washington frequently utilized harsh punishment against the enslaved population, including whippings and the threat of particularly taxing work assignments. Perhaps most severely, Washington could sell a slave to a buyer in the West Indies, ensuring that the person would never see their family or friends at Mount Vernon again. Washington conducted such sales on several occasions. At the time of George Washington’s death, the Mount Vernon estate’s enslaved population consisted of 317 people. Washington himself had been a slave owner for fifty-six years, beginning at eleven years of age when he inherited ten slaves from his deceased father. Washington’s thoughts on slavery were contradictory and changed over time. This evolution culminated near the end of his life; Washington’s will mandated the freeing of his slaves upon his wife’s death, making him the only slaveholding Founder to put provisions for manumission in his will. Further, the enslaved population at Mount Vernon had contact with at least three other Christian denominations: Baptists, Methodists, and Quakers. There were also several remnants of religious traditions from Africa continuing to some degree at Mount Vernon, including both Vodoun and Islam. In accordance with state law, George Washington stipulated in his will that elderly enslaved people or those who were too sick to work were to be supported by his estate in perpetuity. The remaining non-dower enslaved at Mount Vernon did not have to wait for Martha Washington’s death to receive their freedom. Writing on the subject to her sister, Abigail Adams explained that Martha Washington’s motives were largely driven by self-interest. “In the state in which they were left by the General, to be free at her death,” Adams explained, “she did not feel as tho her Life was safe in their Hands, many of whom would be told that it was [in] their interest to get rid of her–She therefore was advised to set them all free at the close of the year.” In December 1800, Martha Washington signed a deed of manumission for her deceased husband's slaves, a transaction that is recorded in the Fairfax County, Virginia, Court Records. They would finally be emancipated on January 1, 1801. [/QUOTE]There are several hundred confederate monuments. The map at top only shows some of them. The two statues in Charlottesville haven't even come down yet but the map shows 14 that have come down. Now the far right wing has popped up in larger numbers and are saying wait a minute, you are erasing our history. But many of these statues went up in the 1900s and are actually war propaganda for the slave states but many made long after the war ended [IMG]https://i.imgbox.com/8zy8urqV.png[/IMG] However Washington and Jefferson were slave holders and you don't .need heroic monuments to learn the history ___________________________________ [IMG]https://i.imgbox.com/cFXSr2bO.png[/IMG] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_GVWHZ22ZE [QUOTE] "..alright fine Thomas Jefferson was the president of the country one of the fathers of the country, George Washington was. Both were slave holders, that was what was going on then but Robert E Lee wouldn't even be mentioned if he was not the general of a confederate army fighting to enslave us and leading a seditious rebellion against the United States government. How do you justify using public money for that? Stonewall Jackson the same thing. Their only relationship was that they were fighting to uphold slavery and overthrow the government. So you cant't even put them in the same category with Washington and Jefferson. " Rev. Al Sharpton Discusses The Minister March On Washington, Removing Confederate Memorials & More -Breakfast Club Power 105.5 [/QUOTE]Yet Washington and Jefferson were slave holders. So some people will keep bringing this up and it's true [IMG]https://us.123rf.com/450wm/bwzenith/bwzenith1307/bwzenith130700186/20805689-thomas-jefferson-memorial--in-washington-dc-usa.jpg?ver=6[/IMG] Jefferson Memorial [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: So how does tearing down a statue end racism in America? And once you start where do you stop? [/QUOTE]So how do you end racism in America? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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