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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] [IMG]https://i.imgbox.com/XQe4dvB3.jpg[/IMG] I'm going to explain how to properly read this chart because Clyde has a version up to small to read At top is the full chart. Then we have a detail of the left portion of the chart. That potion uses the color red to show branches of R that correspond to locations in Europe. The next chart is the enlarged left portion of the top chart showing the locations on a map of Europe. At the bottom is the right portion of the top chart. Where it says R1b there is a split, the branch at left is P297. The branch at right has four red colored European branches of R1b. These are not R-V88 but instead distant relatives V88 is the black branch at far right only. It the earliest offshoot of R1b but it is not the ancestor of it's distant relatives indicated by the red lines. The descendants of V88 would be under the black line extending down from V88 but not shown on this chart the sub clades M18, V35 and V69. As referenced in the article, all of the primary DNA analysis regarding V88 in the above Kivisild 2017 comes from [b]Human Y chromosome haplogroup R-V88: a paternal genetic record of early mid Holocene trans-Saharan connections and the spread of Chadic languages.[/b] Cruciani 2010 Clyde wants to detach the information from it's source so he can spin and slant the information for use as propaganda [/qb][/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]Stop making stuff up! Look at the second paragraph for Figure 7 above. It specifically says that three individuals illustrated in Figure 7, were not M269. I pointed out above these samples came from Haak et al(2015). As you can see Haak et al (2015) is cited as a source. In Haak et al(2017) Table S4.2, these samples were identified as R1b1. Up to 2010, R1b1 was recognized as an African genome. Africans carried R1b1, the name for this haplogroup was changed to R-L278. , [IMG]http://olmec98.net/cruciani_1.png[/IMG] . In 2010, R-V88 was originally named R1b1a and ; R-V8, was named R1b1a2. Today R-V88 is named R1b1a2, and R1b1a is renamed R-L754. . [QUOTE] Haak et al (2017) Table S4.2: Y-Haplogroup assignments for 34 ancient European males. See : http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/02/10/013433.full.pdf I0124 0.96 R1b1 Samara_HG I0410 3.29 R1b1 Spain_EN . [/QUOTE]As you see this statement was not misleading. [/qb][/QUOTE]Kivisild (2017) said the three individuals did not carry R-M269 and related to R-V88, not me. . [IMG]https://i.imgbox.com/XQe4dvB3.jpg[/IMG] . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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