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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [QUOTE] From the aDNA studies we have learned that the oldest R1b-M343 lineages, including 14 KYA Villabruna Man from Italy (Fu et al. 2016) and three European hunter-gatherers and three early farmer samples (Fig. 7), did not belong to the R1b- M269 sub-clade According to the ancient DNA evidence, affinity in their autosomal genes to the early farmers of Atapuerca from Spain (Gunther et . . . Interestingly, the earliest offshoot of extant haplogroup R1b-M343 variation, the V88 sub-clade, which is currently most common in Fulani speaking populations in Africa (Cruciani et al. 2010) has distant relatives in Early Neolithic samples from across wide geographic area from Iberia, Germany to Samara (Fig. 7). The study of human Y chromosome variation through ancient DNA Toomas Kivisild [/QUOTE]That does not say that three European hunter-gatherers and three early farmer samples belonged to R-V88 due to the fact they did not belong to the R1b- M269 which is younger. You don't understand branch splitting and what is downstream and what is not. You have R1b and a mutation occurs yielding V88. A later mutation occurs M269 that does not mean M269 mutated from V88. It means M269 came out of P297 which came out of M343 at a later date than V88 came out of M343. Simply put it's older sister, younger sister. The older sister is not the ancestor of the younger sister. The ancestor is the mother. And if they DID say three European hunter-gatherers and three early farmer samples belonged to R-V88 that would mean the oldest human remains carrying R-V88 are found in Europe suggesting Eurasian origin [b]The ancestor of R-V88 is R-M343[/b] The only population yet recorded with a significant proportion of M343 are the Kurds of southeastern Kazakhstan with 13% and 4.3% among Iranian sub-populations. The indigenous African YDNA of the Fulani are E clades [/QB][/QUOTE]
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