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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by lamin: [qb] Doug, You are writing like a white liberal who believes that blacks/Africans are just incapable of exercising decisive human agency. You are also giving whites too much decision making power. According to you Africa will always be controlled by whites as long as they want to. That's difficult to accept. [/qb][/QUOTE]Lamin stop kidding yourself. You are acting like a white liberal as if to say that white folks have no role in what goes on in Africa and it is all Africans fault. I don't deny that Africans have a responsibility to take charge of their own future. However, like I said, in order to produce that kind of African leadership you need institutions. And those institutions have to have an African first mindset. Those instutions don't exist in Africa and those that do are few and far between. Most Africans who are in leadership roles in Africa are educated or trained in Western Universities or by Western missionaries and funded by Western corporations or interests. All of this represents institutions that are not controlled by Africans and promote a non African agenda in the minds of African leaders. So in theory what you are saying is nice, but the facts on the ground say otherwise. Mugabe was educated in white schools in Rhodesia and then got honorary degrees from schools in England, if he did not actually attend any there. You keep trying to pretend that it is just simple and easy for Africans to rise to positions of power in Africa without being affected by foreign influence. The next president of Zimbabwe is going to have the same non African interests playing a role in their funding and backing as Mugabe and African leaders. That is just a fact. You can sit here an play all these games and deny those facts if you want but I choose not to. Africans are poor and with no money and resources you will go for whoever is feeding you and giving out money and in most cases this means non Africans. Now if there were Afrian billionaires who were paying off African leaders in corrupt deals that would be one thing, but in most cases it is foreign governments and foreign companies who have to money to bribe African officials..... So are you saying Mobutu who overthrew Patrice Lumumba wasn't influenced, educated and trained by Non Africans? Seriously? I don' get it with folks insisting on believing in nonsense when the facts are available online and plain as day. Everthing in this quote below supports what I am saying. Whatever it is you believe it isn't based on any historical facts. [QUOTE] Early years Mobutu, a member of the Ngbandi ethnic group,[6] was born in Lisala, Belgian Congo.[7] Mobutu's mother, Marie Madeleine Yemo, was a hotel maid who fled to Lisala to escape the harem of a local village chief. There she met and married Albéric Gbemani, a cook for a Belgian judge.[8] Shortly afterwards she gave birth to Mobutu. The name "Mobutu" was selected by an uncle. Gbemani died when Mobutu was eight.[9] Thereafter he was raised by an uncle and a grandfather. The wife of the Belgian judge took a liking to Mobutu and taught him to speak, read, and write the French language fluently. Yemo relied on the help of relatives to support her four children, and the family moved often. Mobutu's earliest education took place in Léopoldville, but his mother eventually sent him to an uncle in Coquilhatville, where he attended the Christian Brothers School, a Catholic-mission boarding school. A physically imposing figure, he dominated school sports. He also excelled in academic subjects and ran the class newspaper. He was also known for his pranks and impish sense of humor. A classmate recalled that when the Belgian priests, whose first language was Dutch, made an error in French, Mobutu would leap to his feet in class and point out the mistake. In 1949 Mobutu stowed away aboard a boat to Léopoldville and met a girl. The priests found him several weeks later. At the end of the school year, in lieu of being sent to prison, he was ordered to serve seven years in the colonial army, the Force Publique (FP) - the usual punishment for rebellious students.[10] Army service Mobutu found discipline in army life, as well as a father figure in Sergeant Louis Bobozo. Mobutu kept up his studies by borrowing European newspapers from the Belgian officers and books from wherever he could find them, reading them on sentry duty and whenever he had a spare moment. His favorites were the writings of French President Charles de Gaulle, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and Italian philosopher Niccolò Machiavelli. After passing a course in accounting, he began to dabble professionally in journalism. Still angry after his clashes with the school priests, he did not marry in a church. His contribution to the wedding festivities was a crate of beer, all his army salary could afford.[11] As a soldier, Mobutu wrote pseudonymously on contemporary politics for a new magazine set up by a Belgian colonial, Actualités Africaines. In 1956, he quit the army and became a full-time journalist,[12] writing for the Léopoldville daily L'Avenir.[13] Two years later, he went to Belgium to cover the 1958 World Exposition and stayed to receive training in journalism. By this time, Mobutu had met many of the young Congolese intellectuals who were challenging colonial rule. He became friendly with Patrice Lumumba and joined Lumumba's Mouvement National Congolais (MNC). Mobutu eventually became Lumumba's personal aide, though several contemporaries indicate that Belgian intelligence had recruited Mobutu to be an informer.[14] During the 1960 talks in Brussels on Congolese independence, the US embassy held a reception for the Congolese delegation. Embassy staff were each assigned a list of delegation members to meet, and then discussed their impressions. The ambassador noted, "One name kept coming up. But it wasn't on anyone's list because he wasn't an official delegation member, he was Lumumba's secretary. But everyone agreed that this was an extremely intelligent man, very young, perhaps immature, but a man with great potential."[15] [/QUOTE] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobutu_Sese_Seko [/QB][/QUOTE]
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