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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] Anyway you know my stance on this issue. I don't play semantic games. Black people come in all shapes and sizes and there are no features that are not found among black populations around the planet. The idea that somehow there are some features among certain humans that don't ultimately originate with black aboriginals of some shape or fashion is blatantly false. This is what I am talking about, which is biology. There is no "other" population that magically sprang up in Asia and somehow magically was distinct from their black forefathers. Almost all Asian features derive from black aboriginal populations all over Asia. They were not limited to South Asia and that includes the Malays. This nonsense about Malays being "dark as blacks" but not black is stupidity. That proves my point. Those are the original features of not only Malays but ALL ASIANS and ALL HUMANS. And the evidence for this was and is still present even though the white racists and their ilk have done a lot to erase it. Of course there are and have been other people of different shades in Asia, but that doesn't change the fact that they ultimately originate with black aboriginal populations.[/qb][/QUOTE]And again I agree with everything you say above except about Malays! Exactly who said Malays "are as dark as blacks" in the first place?? By the way, when I say 'Malays' I mean Malayan speaking peoples not only of Malaysia but Indonesia and the Philippines as well. By and large Malayan people are not that dark. Of course there are exceptions since Malayans have assimilated and mixed with various aboriginal groups. That's my point, it is the aboriginals of Southeast Asia who are black. Malayans are not aboriginal though they have lived in the region for a long time to be indigenous, and again some have mixed with aborigines hence darker i.e. black complexions among certain individuals or communities. [QUOTE][qb]And to this day a lot of folks are simply trying to run away from this blackness. Malays: [IMG]https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3925/14964401985_2ac5464a6e_b.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2739/4453096380_b8d267c46e_z.jpg?zz=1[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]So the girls in the above photos are now black?? :confused: [/qb][/QUOTE]I said that the original Malays were primarily indigenous black populations who adopted Islam and prior to the 18th century. The Europeans then arbitrarily lumped them together as a "race" as I showed from their own books where they were trying to distinguish "black people" from "brown people" based on the concept of one group being uncivilized savages and the other group being civilized and refined especially due to mixture with non black populations. And like I said, the whole concept of the Malay race is no different than any of the other bogus racial constructs created by white people. All of these people originated with blacks and the first Malays were black as well.... And keep in mind that black really is a term for people who are a shade of brown. So to claim that because someone is brown they are not black is nonsense. Where did that brown come from other than black people? And the contradiction here is other populations with similar features are called black, but they are no different from these people. Malays aren't a race so of course they have different looks. Doesn't change the fact that the first Malays were mostly indigenous black people. Another example of the kinds of features found in south Asia: Marshall Islands [IMG]https://farm1.staticflickr.com/165/438191541_2f478bf99e_b.jpg[/IMG] https://www.flickr.com/photos/movementarian/438191541/in/album-72157600010100799/ Orang Asli: [IMG]https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2855/9768871761_d9cf11765a_c.jpg[/IMG] https://www.flickr.com/photos/98581872@N04/9768871761/ Now this orang Asli woman is considered black with features no different than the other "malays". Yet they are supposed to be different races. That is nonsense. Now, of course there have been many more immigrants into Malaysia and there are a lot more mixtures of people included as "Malays". But Malay is not a race as opposed to a broad cultural grouping based on Islam and other cultural practices among people of various ethnic backgrounds who are mixed. These are not the same people as even seen 100 years ago, let alone 3000 years ago. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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