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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Snakepit1: [qb] [QUOTE]This whole idea about what "white people think", or what a "non black cop would do" when pulling someone over is ridiculous. Non-black people aren't the ones who decide who and what is a black person[/qb][/QUOTE]Race itself is a "non black" invention. No matter how much black people want to "decide," we know most of us would probably get rid of race if we could and go back to (or stick with) tribal systems. Race is a reflection of problems with defining our lives the way we want. Because we didn't invent race, our independent definitions aren't often very influential across the world. If you live in a European country the fact you don't get to choose your race is hammered into you very early--sometimes with violence. This is why it matters to AA. Because of "how white people think" AA were forced to share the same spaces, exchange ideas and make a common cultures regardless of previous tribes, shades or mixture. So in the U.S "black" is a culture or ethnic group which is in part AA are so inclusive. When telling someone they're not "black" it's taking history and culture from someone in America. However in many African countries the abuses AA experienced [b]did not happen[/b] and so you wouldn't say your culture is "black." You'd say your culture is for example Ashanti, Igbo or Somali. You don't have to tread as lightly to say "so and so isn't black" because you're not taking a person's history and culture. [QUOTE][qb] I think American-Africans should be VERY careful when talking about this topic, as they are HEAVILY indoctrinated by the "one-drop"/hypodescent rule. Where I'm from, Zendaya and people like her would be referred to as white/colored/mulatto/half-caste , regardless of what that makes one feel. [/qb][/QUOTE]It is not "indoctrination" because AA don't follow the one drop rule. The "one drop rule" would mean white supremacists like Craig Cobb could receive black scholarships or could express his opinion of the black community as though he were a member of it. Stephen Curry could apply for a black scholarship with no social outrage for reasons unique to the U.S history. Which is why, when black people say "The AE are black" in the U.S (and in other parts of Europe with a similar history), it makes sense because they're talking about whose black where they live. If in another black country AE wouldn't be considered black but they're being claimed that would be strange. In the U.S you can be black with mixture, you can be black and have several features that appear more frequently in other races. In the U.S entire communities and cultures of people were shaped around a common history. Many of black heroes like Fredrick Douglass and Malcolm X were heavily mixed and/or light skinned. Did a shared history between light and dark skinned blacks (or would-be blacks) happen everywhere? No. So do blacks everywhere have the same definitions? No. But I don't see the contradiction of Africans who hold that view claiming AE. That part confuses me. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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