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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] Ptolemaic era Egyptians had a standardized way of classifying themselves based on skin pigmentation.[/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Thereal: [qb] ... African people ... we didn't a have exact concept of "Blackness" until white racism and what makes a African person is genetics regardless of phenotype after the out of Africa event.[/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] exactly what I'm looking for. --It's not a personal opinion held by a single person, but it's shared by many. So it has anthropological value. [/qb][/QUOTE]I can be addressed directly and no conflict will result. I feel my opinion is as good as anyone else's in the market place of ideas where any can reject it as they please. Threads always expand. I thought I was expanding not detracting, following up on the above quoted ideas. But I strongly believe a thread is what it's author says it should be. So please quote where I violated your thread and I will explain or expunge per your will. But let's not forget what I posted last page where six contemporary African ethnocities' color concepts are given. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] I was present when a man from Gabon called the man below "The white man of Africa," to which he not only did not object but also restrained a Black American from objecting. [IMG]http://bamendaonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Marafa-Hamidou-Yaya4.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Gedegbe: A more similar conception would be that of my ethnic people (Aja-Fon) from West Africa who call themselves (me-wi) "black-people" (cf Egyptians calling them black (people)), when referring to them along with their neighbors like the Yoruba, Bariba, Akan regardless as they are pitch-black skinned, brown skinned, light skinned, etc as opposed to Europeans. Among these people, we consider different nuances of skin tone. If we talk about a specific me-wi as being "nya-wi" (male-black) or as "na-wi" (female-black), it will be a reference to their "very dark or pitch black complexion". [IMG]http://www.wanep.org/wapi/images/Alumni/constant.jpg[/IMG] a "nya-wi" If we talk about somebody as a "nya-vo(2)"(male-red), or "na-vo(3)" (female-red), it will be a reference to their lighter than average skin complexion. (3) [IMG]http://www.bbc.co.uk/french/specials/images/136_benin_candidates/419521_gbedo.gif[/IMG] (2) [IMG]http://www.bbc.co.uk/french/specials/images/1338_test/344356_lehady.jpg[/IMG] a na-wi and a nya-wi Only the intermediary brown/darkbrown usual complexion(4;5), won't require the use of a distinctive color adjective. [IMG]http://www.sonangnon.net/images/adrienh.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.assembleebenin.org/depute/galiou_soglo.jpg[/IMG] Two "regular" me-wi Senegalese egyptologist Aboubacry Moussa LAM reported the case of two middle (?) kingdom brothers, one being called Pepi the Red, and the other, Pepi the Black. It could describe two brothers one with light, and the other with very dark skinned complexion. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Young H.O.R.U.S: In Nigeria, among the Yoruba people, there have always been 3 human colour classifications. • We generally refer to ourselves as [b]Dudu/Black[/b], • light-skinned Africans are referred to as [b]Pupa/Red-Yellow[/b] (think 'palm oil') and • [b]Funfun/White[/b] (albinos). People need to stop generalising about Africa. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: ... the USA idea of black is not Africa's idea. In Africa people are recognized by their actual tone or the tone of the majority of their ethny. [b]Ethiopia[/b] has a three colour terminology tequr:black teyem:brown qey:red [b] Sudan [/b] azraq:blue akhdar:green asmar:brown ahmar:red asfar:yellow [b] Fon[/b] me-wi:black people nya/na-wi:male/female black (very dark or pitch black complexion nya/na-vo:male/female red (lighter than average skin complexion [b] Yoruba[/b] dudu:black light-skinned Africans are referred to as pupa:red-yellow (think 'palm oil') and funfun:White (albinos). [b] Ibo[/b] ojii:black ocha:white Then there are the [b]Kel taGelmust[/b] with their various designations for themselves, coastal Berbers, and Gnawas, yellow, white, grey; or internal assignments by class noble, vassal, and enslaved, red green black. [/QUOTE]Unlike for some Diasporans, black is only a [i]descriptor[/i]. But for some Diasporans Black is the only [i]identity[/i] they have. [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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