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"Darwinists don't accept direction in evolution." -- Swenet
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] If the universe works as Darwinists think (i.e. everything arose on its own) then selective pressures are always random. In the Darwinian model, there is no reason why the temperature, predators and other selective pressures need to be as they are on earth. They could have been configured any other way. Not all these other ways support life, but I'm saying you could for instance have had some thing resembling the tropics on the north pole if the earth was at the right distance from the sun (presumably). In mainstream scientific thought, if you throw the dice with the formation of the universe, you could have other configurations of the earth and therefore other selective pressures. And selective pressures themselves vary over time as well, in a way that is necessarily random (ultimately) if one rejects 'divine intervention' at all levels. People need to make up their minds. You can't dismiss 'divine intervention' yet try to insert signs of 'divine intervention' in your model and insist you're being rational. This has been boggling my mind since page one, where you have people co-signing mysticism, yet dismiss direction in evolution. Is your problem a lack of education or something else? If you dismiss direction and support a purely chemical basis of life, then you can't have authentic consciousness and therefore no mysticism. At best you may have some sort of pseudo consciousness of the kind Dennet describes, where consciousness is just an illusory [b]by-product[/b] of electro-chemical activity in the brain. Needless to say, that type of consciousness can't lead to mystical experiences. It can't collapse the wave function, either. Yet that is exactly what humans have been observed doing in controlled laboratory settings. This is why life could never have arisen due to a purely chemical process. Everyone in the real world understands what's at stakes very well, which is why the topic of consciousness is so polarized and politicized. Only here on ES do you have people who don't understand that you can't have consciousness/mysticism evolving out of a purely chemical basis of life. It's always the same handful of people weirdly combining claims that are internally inconsistent. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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