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"Darwinists don't accept direction in evolution." -- Swenet
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sam p: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [qb] Then if you enter in bottlenecks the outcome is even more "random" It would mean there are spontaneous mutations but none of them are advantageous or deleterious in an environment the only way that the population changes is if some special event occurs changing the environment such as earthquakes, floods, fires, disease, or droughts. The population is randomly reduced by deaths and it's diversity reduced, the survivors were just lucky they weren't near the volcano when it erupted We see mutations to be spontaneous or random because it strikes us that a deleterious mutation is not leading to more life. It seems like a fail. What about death? Is that a fail? What about a baby antelope getting eaten by a lion? Is that a fail on the antelopes part ? If someone were to speculate as their being a reason behind the life of an antelope one could say it is to produce more antelopes, for the species to survive But they could also speculate that is only part of the reason for their existence, part of it is to be food for lions. So then you could also speculate that a trail and error process involves random mutation on an individual level but it is not random in a larger scheme because this trail and error process results in a better product at the end. And another way one could look at something is that if a person was born blind that has a purpose we don't know about Or it doesn't have a purpose. We can't ever really know if purpose exists or it's just a mental abstraction. However we can observe some cause and effect sometimes [/qb][/QUOTE]I believe it's irrelevant if change in species (there's no such thing as evolution) is random or "trial and error". In very real ways it is neither and both. What is relevant is that there is no such thing as "species" and there are only individuals who use consciousness to survive. Change inb species occurs when some specific behavior is eradicated by nature and this behavior is shared by most members of a "species". For instance if a species tends to always live in fields and some solar event, meteorite, or cataclism kills all those out in the open only a few individuals who each CHOSE to be under cover at that moment will survive. It is largely genetics that determine animal behavior so these survivors will have different genes and immediately create a new species with no missing links. Free will, consciousness, and cleverness drive change in species and survival. Darwin was wrong pretty much across the board. He assumed that bottlenecks were nonexistent but this is where new species arise. Life is far older than Darwin imagined. It is probably true that "survival of the fittest" is important to genetic diversity within species but even here localized bottlenecks are more important. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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