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"Darwinists don't accept direction in evolution." -- Swenet
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] ^lol [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] So, to sum it up. You're saying: [i]"yes the universe is intelligent, has consciousness, but it's definitely not a cognitive creature!".[/i] --Doug M [i]"yes, this intelligent universe is involved in evolution in some way, but god forbid it interfered in the process of evolution aka cellular chemistry!".[/i] --Doug M [i]"yes, mysticism involves the genuine extraction of math, astronomy and other ancient knowledge from the universe, but there is definitely no exchange going on between humans and the cosmos! Mysticism just involves basic electro-chemical impulses twirling around in the brain and nothing more!".[/i] --Doug M Sounds to me like you're just talking about 'divine intervention' in evolution and in mysticism/transmission of ancient knowledge. You just want to call it something else and window dress it. Okay, Doug. Got it. [/qb][/QUOTE]Aww stop trying to paraphrase what I said. I was pretty explicit in what I meant. You are stuck because you haven't grasped what I am saying. If humans are intelligent and no "divine force" created them, then the processes in nature that created them are an expression of intelligence. MEANING that intelligence exists in nature as the result of the processes and tangible by products of those processes. Otherwise, humans can't be intelligent because humans were created by nature and therefore if nature is not intelligent and cant "design intelligence" without something "outside of nature" or "outside of natural forces" within the universe being responsible for them. Which means us talking on this thread isn't real intelligence because we cannot find the "natural sources" of our ability to write words and communicate. It is either nature created humans as an expression of 'intelligent design' or there is no intelligence AT ALL anywhere. Like I said, the roots of math, science and religion all lay in mysticism. Your attempts to summarize what I said as something other than that is the problem. Mysticism in many examples starts with human cognition and the ability to observe, think, question and develop ideas, symbols and concepts about reality. From that comes language and math as the pattern REFLECTING the hidden language of nature that created man, the universe and everything including human "consciousness". But whatever, I see you will attempt to spin that because you can't comprehend words without reinterpreting them through the prism of "rationalist" contradictions which is not how math, language and writing came about in the first place. [/qb][/QUOTE]Doug these are the contradictions coming out of your own posts. [i]Yes, ptah is the archetype of the "conscious universe". So is Christ the Logos, Buddha and so forth. They all represent that cognitive evolutionary process and theory of one unified expansion of conscious in creation. [b]With the human conscious being the pinnacle of that expansion and prism through which you can see the inner and outer universe.[/b][/i] --Doug M To anyone reading your posts you seem to be flip flopping between "natural processes" and "non-natural processes". You just stated point blank humans have ESP (extrasensory perception). You can't clean that up with nice-sounding scientific words, like "structures in the brain that evolved with cellular chemistry". You are talking about topics that open pandora's box of the 'divine' and 'paranormal', yet when people are drawing attention to it, you want to close the lid and disown what you just said. smh. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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