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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [qb] You are talking about ESP and exchanging information 'with the divine', but you want to call it something else because you're confused. And you know what happens when Doug gets confused. That's when he stops making sense with every post getting less coherent. [i]Yes, ptah is the archetype of the "conscious universe". So is Christ the Logos, Buddha and so forth. They all represent that cognitive evolutionary process and theory of one unified expansion of conscious in creation. With the human conscious being the pinnacle of that expansion and prism [b]through which you can see the inner and outer universe.[/b][/i] --Doug M ^This is not extrasensory perception? Oh ok. Got it. [IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/e1w0OKeAjOEw/giphy.gif[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]You are the only one talking about ESP in this thread. Anybody familiar with a basic history of philosophy would know what I am talking about. Nobody is talking about ESP except you. What is it with you and understanding english: [QUOTE] Yes, ptah is the archetype of the "conscious universe". So is Christ the Logos, Buddha and so forth. They all represent that cognitive evolutionary process and theory of one unified expansion of conscious in creation. With the human conscious being the pinnacle of that expansion and prism through which you can see the inner and outer universe.[/QUOTE]Conscious universe is in quotes. It does not mean "conscious animal/creature". I already said this yet you keep going on about it. It represents the fact that consciousness itself as in human consciousness is a reflection of processes within the universe. You are part of the universe. Your brain is part of the universe. The atoms in your body and the molecules and cells all are constructs of the same materials and processes that are within the universe. Hence if you are conscious then you represent the innate potential for consciousness in the universe. This concept is not ESP. You are just making up stuff to make yourself sound good. I already posted the references and citations of this as basic and fundamental aspect of the history of human understanding. Nowhere in any of that did I say exchanging information with the divine. You are just making up strawmen at this point. What I did say was if your brain is the result of 'natural' evolutionary processes and NOT the divine then your consciousness and cognition is comes from the physical universe. You keep ducking and dodging this for some reason. I also said Ptah and other ancient dieties were "archetypes". Do you know what that even means? Seems to me the only one invoking "divinity" and ESP as an explanation for consciousness is you at this point. But I never made any such claim. Archetypes are symbols. The ability to develop symbols to represent concepts and ideas is part of human mental and cognitive ability. That is why the earliest languages were pictorial, as in heiroglyphs. And from that evolution of symbolic thinking came letters. All of this happened in KMT a long time ago. Ptah and Djehuti are archetypes or symbols representing this evolution of cognition in humans and the META PRINCIPLE of how consciousness emerged from creation (in humans) but in a more abstract sense, how consciousness therefore is an "innate" function of creation within the universe. From all these ancient patterns of thought and ideas came the basis of language, math and science but originally all of these things were seen as part of the same "whole knowledge" of the mind, creation, the universe and so forth. Only much later did things get broken out into separate "fields of study". At this point you are trolling as I gave you all the references required to understand what I am saying. The whole concept of ESP is recent and has absolutely NOTHING to do with these ancient patterns of thought. The word ESP was created in the 1900s. No ancient system of religion or mysticism had anything approaching ESP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasensory_perception So your point is absolutely invalid. A psychologist having you sit on a couch and talk about your inner desires and thoughts is not ESP either. As I said, the whole idea that the "natural forces" of the universe could even create something like "human conscious" and the various forms of consciousness found in other animals, was considered "as divine" by various ancient cultures on a basic level. And hence symbols or archetypes were created to represent how this was seen as a "divine" or "miraculous" element within nature itself as in Jesus Christ, Buddha, etc. But on another level these symbols were also representations of "META" physical or natural patterns at work in creation and the universe. Hence "sun" gods represents the "power" of the sun and the development of time based on the movement of the sun. So in a real sense "man makes god in his own image" not the other way around. Meaning man is the archetype for emergent complexity in the universe that SOME PEOPLE would interpret as a sign of the existence of "a god" or "gods". And this concept of archetypes or symbols within human cognition is the basis of Jungian Psychology: [QUOTE] In Jungian psychology, archetypes are highly developed elements of the collective unconscious. The existence of archetypes can only be deduced indirectly by using story, art, myths, religions, or dreams. Carl Jung understood archetypes as universal, archaic patterns and images that derive from the collective unconscious and are the psychic counterpart of instinct.[1] They are inherited potentials which are actualized when they enter consciousness as images or manifest in behavior on interaction with the outside world.[2] They are autonomous and hidden forms which are transformed once they enter consciousness and are given particular expression by individuals and their cultures. [/QUOTE] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes But nowhere did I say that the universe is divine or a divine construct. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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