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"Darwinists don't accept direction in evolution." -- Swenet
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [b]The universe produces life and consciousness.[/b] Man can't.[/QUOTE]But I thought you said that nothing ever intervened in evolution? :confused: You said that cellular processes (mutations and environmental feedback) are the basis of all evolution :confused: You've argued against the universe driving evolution at the cellular level. But then the next moment you say that human consciousness is a reflection of the intelligence of the universe. So is human consciousness purely a result of cumulative adaptations over time (emergent complexity, as you called it), or are humans incubators for the universe's intelligence to develop in? :confused: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: I never said that man could make consciousness. Man is a creature with consciousness. [/QUOTE]This is what you said: 1) cellular chemistry and environmental feedback are the basis of all evolution 2) there was no intervention of any kind in evolution 3) human consciousness is the human brain, nothing more 4) evolution is based on consistent laws that can be understood Again, here is your quote: [i]Personally it sounds more like splitting hairs versus "divine intervention". [b]All mutations and change in life is based on natural processes. Chemistry and all that lies within the universe is a natural process[/b]. Rules and laws that govern the universe and natural processes within it [b]are understandable and can be shown to be consistent[/b]. Cellular biology and division is shown to be based on genetic mutation. [b]Genetic mutations are based on environmental feedback. That is the basis of all evolutionary change in living organisms.[/b][/i] --Doug M ^Based on this, engineers should be able to replicate consciousness in a lab eventually using chemistry. So why isn't it possible to replicate consciousness in the lab with chemistry, Doug? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: This is the closest they have come to making "synthetic" life:[/QUOTE]Contradicting yourself again? I thought you said man can't create life, only the universe can. In any case, what you're posting is not an example of creating life with chemistry and causing it to evolve. They're just tinkering with existing life and rearranging existing cell parts. And I wasn't even talking about creating life. I was talking about creating consciousness, which is not the same. Again, physicists are saying that inorganic and abiological matter can have consciousness. So I don't know where you get it from that consciousness is the brain or that consciousness is by definition impossible to replicate. Are you making things up? And this might be my last reply on this topic to you. You seem to be all over the place and changing your positions constantly. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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