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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] People mainly care about two things when it comes to religion 1) is there an intelligent being or higher consciousness of some kind that takes into account the morality of the choices we make? 2) is there an afterlife? _______________ Three main models might address this a) yes there a higher consciousness that created everything and takes into account the morality of the choices we make and yes there is an after life and our circumstances in it are determined by what our behavior was before dying. b) No, there is no creator being, no higher form of consciousness somewhere in the air and no higher being that takes into account the morality of the choices we make and no there is no afterlife, that is all child-like yearning for parents to take care of us c) yes there an intelligent creator consciousness but we are like flys to this higher consciousness. This intelligent creator is far above on a much higher level creating planets an solar systems. What we think is righteous behavior or immoral behavior is completely meaningless to this higher form of consciousness. Volcanoes erupt, floods and earthquakes occur. It has nothing to do with our moral behavior. This higher form of consciousness does not register what we think is "good" and "evil" ______________________________ So if we say (b)can't be right because all these complex things like flying animals and humans who can make art and airplanes, the complexity of the eye can't just be a product of random accidents beginning with chemicals. and instead we pick (c) we might as well have picked (b) because the higher consciousness in (c) does not connect to any of our concerns as human beings. It's like saying that nature is a form of consciousness but it doesn't care if we act good or evil and has no special concern for us. So we are left with a nice sound phrase "there is a higher form of consciousness" but in this scenario this higher form of consciousness doesn't care about us or what we do. It's out there creating new planets and life forms and moving on [/QB][/QUOTE]
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