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"Darwinists don't accept direction in evolution." -- Swenet
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Sam P: Fodor seems to give "Evolutionists" a lot more credit than I do. Darwin was simply wrong and biologists hang on like a Pavlov's dog with a bone. [/QUOTE]I agree. There is also the problem that Darwin seemingly lied and watered down his materialist beliefs publicly. It seems like he walked his beliefs back depending on who he was talking to. There is a discrepancy between his private notes and his correspondences and autobiography. I say that to say this. In the article there seem to be suggestions of Darwin not really being a Darwinist. But this seems to ignore that in his day, materialists weren't free to fully express themselves publicly (e.g. Darwin's wife was deeply religious). Based on this it seems shaky to give Darwin credit for not being as hardcore materialist as some of his modern followers. He might have just done that to soften the 'blow' of his theory. But some are trying to make it seem like this proves that Darwin was 'ahead of the curve'. That Darwin has been distorted by his followers and that you can somehow find Darwin's "true beliefs" by reading Darwin deeply :rolleyes: That seems like a very devotionalist and religious thing to say. I hope that is not what Lewontin meant. [QUOTE]They don't see the cause of change in species even when it's right before them. They also [b]don't see that it is consciousness which confers the ability to survive and not "fitness".[/b][/QUOTE]Playing Devil's advocate here. A Darwinist could say that behaviour as a driver of evolution is compatible with Darwinism as it (behaviour) is still determined at a deeper level by selective adaptation. So they could say the order of control you subscribe to, which is (correct me if I'm wrong): consciousness → behaviour They could say this picture is controlled at a still deeper level by selective adaptation: selective adaptation → consciousness → behaviour Thoughts? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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