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"Darwinists don't accept direction in evolution." -- Swenet
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: Excellent reference. Darwin was proposing a theory without all the evidence from the fossil record, [b]but a theory that fit well with the evidence from more recent species such as humans or turtles and so forth. And many biologists follow this general theory of evolution based on more recent tangible evidence of speciation and evolution[/b] all the while acknowledging the gaps and difficulties with the ancient record. (I personally find it highly unlikely that anybody will have all the data to understand what happened 500 million years ago in biological evolution. That is too much a gap in time, not to mention the 500 million years preceding it.) That said, I don't see it as "bad" or "wrong" for science to try to reconstruct what took place based on "material" evidence that is available to formulate hypotheses.[/QUOTE]Thanks. But when you say there is tangible evidence for evolution and speciation, it sounds like we're not on the same wave-length. Let me repeat again that my position is not against evolution. My position is against [b]Darwinian[/b] evolution and all other mainstream evolutionist thought. Again, I disagree with these ideas because I don't buy into the narrow set of phenomena (i.e. chemicals, matter) they acknowledge as existing in reality. If they say consciousness is an illusory side-effect of the brain, they've already talked themselves out of solutions and can never make progress in evolution. If one thinks organisms can only be constructed bottom-up (atoms to molecules, to cells, to tissues, to organs), one can't understand evolution. How do I know that? I've already explained how. Again, I have to repeat: 1) consciousness and subjectivity are not bottom-up phenomena and 2) consciousness can be shown not only to affect the body, but also outside reality. The latter has already been demonstrated in countless controlled experiments (e.g. double slit experiment). These facts turn mainstream science on its head and expose the limitations of bottom-up evolution theories. Mainstream scientists simply ignore it or try to speculate it away due to ideological commitment to the Newtonian worldview. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: all the while [b]acknowledging the gaps and difficulties[/b] with the ancient record[/QUOTE]Generally, they're not acknowledging anything. They're ignoring problems in the fossil record. Why do you keep trying to defend these people on issues they clearly don't want to be defended on? Dawkins and people like him are saying the fossil record confirms Darwinism. They're not admitting to any problems. They're downplaying problems. And if you're going to defend them, at least post sources. What textbooks give extensive explanations of difficulties with the fossil record, without trying to downplay or mislead? Please name these textbooks. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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