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"Darwinists don't accept direction in evolution." -- Swenet
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by sam p: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: The placebo effect is one mind-related phenomenon in a long line, that rocks the worldview of mainstream science. [/QUOTE]Eventually we're going to find out that [qb]almost all disease is communicable and we each have the germs that cause almost every disease. We get sick when we expect to get sick or think we deserve to get sick. We get sick when are defenses are down or our spirits are down.[/qb] The doctor's job has always been to [b]reassure the patient and "trick" him into getting better.[/b] Obviously this doesn't necessarily apply to any individual case of anything. while arthritis is likely several different types of viruses if one abuses his joints long enough one or another of them is almost certain to multiply and make him sick. I had [b]one doctor tell me not to worry about a condition making another condition worse because as a rule an individual can have only one life threatening condition at a time. [/b] I believe [b]almost nothing we all take for granted or take as established science is real except from specific perspectives.[/b] Oh, and thanks Lioness for correcting my blunder.[/QUOTE]Yes! I believe the bolded is true to at least some extent. But I think this is a tricky area. Patients can really hurt themselves trying to ignore their doctor's advice or listening to some self-styled 'healer'. One thing I'm interested in is what are the limitations of the mind's involvement in medicine. So, for instance, a lot of people die thinking they can mentally direct placebo effect to fight off life-threatening diseases. So the placebo effect appears to have limitations. On the other hand, some instances of spontaneous remission appear to have placebo-like characteristics. This supports that the placebo effect is more complex than these outlets are saying. I haven't looked into this in a long time, but personally I think (my opinion!) there is a 'simple' placebo effect, which is easy to reproduce in experiments (e.g. increasing pain tolerance by giving fake pills or [URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10932336]registering an increase of white blood cells as a result of certain visualizations[/URL]) and more radical forms of placebo effect (e.g. some instances of so-called spontaneous remission) which some religions and folk tales talk about. While the former is downplayed in mainstream science, the latter (mind involvement in spontaneous remission) can really bring out the bitter troll in so-called scholars and intellectuals. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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