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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oshun: [QB] Unless there's a specific head of a movement, a movement yes, has to kind of be understood by the sum of it's parts. I'll put the shoe on the other foot to hopefully show what I'm saying: The "inellectual" arm of the white supremacist movement will deny their movement to be violent and exploitative. Some will even that they "just want to be allowed pride or to make sure they don't go extinct." But that doesn't match the movements behavioral violence and historical subjugation of black people. It doesn't change that the white pride movement has historically gone beyond discussing white achievement, and disparages other races as sub human. So the followers pushing the movement do not hold to the rhetoric pushed the intellectuals offer the general public. Whether these so-called intellectuals are being deceitful or not is irrelevant. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] If the English word negro means black why is there no negro crayon no negro horse no negro shoelaces but there is a black crayon a black horse black shoelaces? [/QUOTE]Just a second. Negro is not an English word. Negro a Latin word that was [b]borrowed[/b] by English speakers to describe blacks (and is still used in Latin speaking countries). Arguing a word is no longer popular (because it has socially been considered offensive and too close to the N-word slur) doesn't prove it meant some other color. The color black was the most common stereotype to negatively depict blacks during a time they used "negro" hence blackface and all the jet black racial caricatures. and jokes involving items that were specifically black like this "n**** milk" "joke" [IMG]https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/understanding-jim-crow630x354_1.jpg[/IMG] Why make a baby drink ink instead of milk. Because the baby's status is associated with... [IMG]http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/drum-roll-gif.gif[/IMG] There's no [b]confusion[/b] as to what color Negro means despite it's modern lack of use. If you asked an AA what color that represents they would say black. [QUOTE]In English negro was coined to describe enslaved Africans originating from West Africa and later made into an extreme facial type supposedly possessed by the West African sources of English colony enslaved Africans. [/QUOTE]But why does it describing Africans mean that the word negro doesn't mean black? It WAS a common color for the imported slaves (hence the stereotype) but not ALL "negroes" were literally that color. the word black also expressed European culture's negative attitudes that were traditionally associated with the color as well. So even for people not literally black, the color became associated with their status. [QUOTE]Such was greater Guinea. Why was Papua dubbed New [b]Guinea[/b]? [/QUOTE]Again that's another example of using the word BLACK even if not everyone living there is literally black. Just because they use Latin word to say it, doesn't mean the color means something else. [QUOTE]Who are your references? From what sources are you building up on? What is your foundation? [/QUOTE]That the word negro means black instead of some other color? A dictionary? Negro has meant black long before slavery. When has Negro meant any color but the color black? And how many of the African groups that AA "stole" the word from even used the English word black to describe themselves? Whether negro means black to you or not, it doesn't change the main point: That the word black when AA use it is talking about something completely different from a literal descriptor. It has been used to stereotype very dark skin, but it expanded to apply to people much lighter early in the history of systemic racism. People aren't obligated to discuss the word "race" if it has NO systemic and global impact. Not if the word race is being used in a conversation to SPECIFICALLY talk about that system of hate and discrimination. Just the same, a person isn't BAD for refusing to engage in a conversation with someone who talks about knives and fires whenever they say "lit" or "slay." It's TWO different conversations, one is entirely irrelevant to the other. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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