posted Tomb of Rekhmire (TT100),reign of Thutmose III: tribute bearers from Punt bringing large pizza slices
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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Flat bread with toppings? Probably started Papua ~24ka, sago palm flour flat bread with toasted grubs on top, first meat-lovers pizza, or maybe rolled like a burrito. But cut slices were later, I guess.
Black Crystal Member # 22903
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Black folks invented everything and they mama! lmfao
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN: Flat bread with toppings? Probably started Papua ~24ka, sago palm flour flat bread with toasted grubs on top, first meat-lovers pizza, or maybe rolled like a burrito. But cut slices were later, I guess.
Can you show evidence?
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Tomb of Rekhmire (TT100),reign of Thutmose III: tribute bearers from Punt bringing large pizza slices
These most likely were made from Teff grains. We starting to learn more about this just now and how important Teff has been for thousands of years.
Tukuler Member # 19944
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Continuing the josh.
The cheetah skin napkin proves the pizza tribute is for the royalty!
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN: Flat bread with toppings? Probably started Papua ~24ka, sago palm flour flat bread with toasted grubs on top, first meat-lovers pizza, or maybe rolled like a burrito. But cut slices were later, I guess.
Can you show evidence?
Not sufficient to convince a skeptic. I put together some isolated facts into a plausible storyline. Starch processing via pounding sago palm fruiting stalk, inventing adze (remove starch) & spatula (flapjack lifter & Tasmanian women diver abalone scraper), which were then used for other purposes (hoe, shovel).
I have no evidence that this was done previously in Africa/EurAsia, say before 24ka, only after 14ka Natufians.
Ish Gebor Member # 18264
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quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN:
quote:Originally posted by Ish Gebor:
quote:Originally posted by DD'eDeN: Flat bread with toppings? Probably started Papua ~24ka, sago palm flour flat bread with toasted grubs on top, first meat-lovers pizza, or maybe rolled like a burrito. But cut slices were later, I guess.
Can you show evidence?
Not sufficient to convince a skeptic. I put together some isolated facts into a plausible storyline. Starch processing via pounding sago palm fruiting stalk, inventing adze (remove starch) & spatula (flapjack lifter & Tasmanian women diver abalone scraper), which were then used for other purposes (hoe, shovel).
I have no evidence that this was done previously in Africa/EurAsia, say before 24ka, only after 14ka Natufians.
Before you get to flat bread or any type of bread, there is a process of cultivation.
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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Ish Gebor, not necessarily.
the questioner Member # 22195
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the lioness is trolling
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:Originally posted by the questioner: the lioness is trolling
how ridiculous,it is physically impossible to troll one's one topic
Tukuler Member # 19944
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Josh #2
Yuck, moldy cold month old pizza from 1000 miles away.
Where's pizza rat when ya need 'im?
the lioness, Member # 17353
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quote:...this cheese making technology would later be usurped by the Romans and later came to be known as "Mozarella" (wolof, Moz,milk, ella, to form into loaf), enzymes from bee pollen were added to break down the lactose to enhance digestibility (Molineux, 1962)
...when the Punites neared Egypt they set up an earthen oven and cooked the teff crust pizza to perfection
-pg 164-165 Trade Along the Nile Basil Weatherwax - 1978
Black Crystal Member # 22903
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Just direct your feetza to Daddy Greens Pizza, Bruce Lee Roy!!!
Tyrannohotep Member # 3735
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The characters in the OP picture look like they're carrying bowls of red fruit (or something else of a reddish color) to me.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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guess what, tomatoes are a red fruit
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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Cheese was made in Egypt 5,200 years ago, only 2,000 years after coastal Dalmations of Croatia.
the lioness, Member # 17353
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yes and they were importing cocaine. That means connects in the region also brought in tomatoes from the Americas. The pizza pie symbolized the sun disk of Aten
Peace Corps dictionary: biti 'to cover, wed, milk' (verb)
Possibly ~bilge (cloud.y water) which is covered.
soow 'cream, sour milk'
sour? Used also with lemon?
moca 'to suck'
Muka, mulut, mak@Malay; motla@Aztec: mother
And the Dictionnaire français-volof (1923) has sôʋ 'milk' méʋ 'milk (sweet and fresh)' mûsu 'suck' măt̤,mot̤'suck (fruit)' nampŭ 'suck (the breast)'
I wonder about the na- prefix. Mpu ~ mbua/mo Cf lembu@Malay: cow
Ross Clark: "I was beginning to think the m- 'suck' words might be the source of Basil's 'moz', but I doubt it. I think he's a fabulator. Wolof has no /z/ phoneme and nobody seems to use the letter in spelling it."
DD'eDeN Member # 21966
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Beer & Pizza by 13ka Natufians
Liu and her research team analyzed residues from 13,000-year-old stone mortars found in the Raqefet Cave, a Natufian graveyard site located near what is now Haifa, Israel, and discovered evidence of an extensive beer-brewing operation.
"This accounts for the oldest record of man-made alcohol in the world," Liu said.
The researchers believe that the Natufians brewed beer for ritual feasts that venerated the dead.
As Liu notes in the paper, the earliest bread remains to date were recently recovered from the Natufian site in east Jordan. Those could be from 11,600 to 14,600 years old. The beer finding she reports here could be from 11,700 to 13,700 years old.
Ancient beer brewing
Ancient beer is far from what we drink today. It was most likely a multi-ingredient concoction like porridge or thin gruel, said Jiajing Wang, a doctoral student in the Department of East Asian Languages and Cultures and a co-author on the paper. Wang has helped Liu research ancient alcohol since 2015 when they first looked at 5,000-year-old brews in China before turning their attention to studying the Natufian culture.
In the Raqefet Cave, Liu and Wang unearthed residual remains of starch and microscopic plant particles known as phytolith, which are typical in the transformation of wheat and barley to booze.
The researchers believe that the Natufians used a three-stage brewing process. First, starch of wheat or barley would be turned into malt. This happens by germinating the grains in water to then be drained, dried and stored. Then, the malt would be mashed and heated. Finally, it would be left to ferment with airborne wild yeast.
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Sago palm peel & pound & sieve pith for starch flour for flat bread/pita/pan ~24ka and remaining rind/bark made with adze into bark canoe/piroge in the shape of pisang@Malay: banana or pizzle/penis/petla/post/pike. Removal of pith leaves a pit/hole/hull and a pitch/mound of flour to rinse and make pancakes.
"Pithxagro" cf !hxaro@San: bead
Very interesting match-ups.
What did Natufians 14ka call their canoes & their flat bread?
Punt? Pi(n)ta? (P)harina? Isn't Farina an Afro-Asiatic term for flour?
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