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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Ah but here's something that may give Doug pause. Up above you say the All African People's Revolutionary Party was of Marxist/socialist flavor. Would this make them, and Stokley, leader of the Party, people under white leftist control, given Doug'a argument that communist or leftist influence has run or heavily influenced most black struggle organizations? [/qb][/QUOTE]Just to be clear, when I say "grassroots" I am referring to mostly the average every day person who is not particularly educated or even familiar with "international" concepts like Marxism, Socialism and so forth. When someone sees police misconduct on the street and gets outraged that is "grassroots" and does not imply any social/political system of indoctrination outside of a desire to end that oppression. Similarly hip hop in the 70s to 90s was mostly at the grassroots, in playgrounds, house parties and basements and not on the radio or large record companies and mostly about free expression from parties and sing along lyrics to conscious topics and not just "ganstas and thugs". The idea of "leftist" agendas comes into play at the college/academic level among those who would be the intelligentsia or potential "leaders" of such movements. They have time to sit down and analyze struggles of various types and then model a plan of education and indoctrination for the "grassroots" in order to form them into a cohesive social and political force. That is the difference. The 10 point plan of the black panthers is a perfect example, which was used to indoctrinate the "grassroots" youth from the streets and the gangs. As for BLM, the whole point was to push feminist and non conforming sexual agendas and not to solve police brutality. The fact that you and others are mentioning feminism and queer identity when ostensibly talking about police brutality proves the point. It hasn't solved the problem it claims to want to address but has raised the awareness of the presence of queer folks in the black community which isn't really a goal for "black liberation". I mean in the past couple of years how often have you seen folks twerking or stripping at these BLM protests? The two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other and this is the problem with the intersectionality argument which basically boils down to interracial sex across genders as if that "solves" anything. And this can be seen even in the era of the Harlem renaissance and folks such as Van Vechten. And what happens as a result is an attempt to lump all resistance and opposition to police brutality and other issues into a single "camp" when a lot of folks are not interested in these other agendas and just want to get the problems fixed. For example, this intersectional agenda likes to push queer representation as a "win", but a win for who? Who cares if Superman is black? Who cares if some fictional character is gay or gay and black? How is that helping anything in real life? For example, look at the the TV series the watchmen, where the main black character who survives the Tulsa massacre is a superhero who whose big secret was he was in an interracial gay relationship. And of course his partner was also a superhero and was against using their powers to fight racism. So what the hell does that have to do with anything? The leftists love this but it means nothing to the people on the street in real life and those still fighting for reparations from that massacre. [QUOTE] The characters in James Baldwin’s Another Country are plagued with contradictions. They have contradictory feelings about their race, their gender, their sexuality. There are marked contradictions between the way they feel and the way they act; between what they think they feel, what they truly feel and what they want others to think they feel. These contradictions lead to self-loathing as they struggle, impossibly, to define themselves based on social parameters. They conform to and resent labels such as black, white, heterosexual, homosexual, faithful, unfaithful, victim and victor, trying to reconcile their behavior with “who they are”. In a utopian, private world, “who they are” would be an amorphous concept based on their actions, but in Another Country Baldwin savagely reminds us that we do not live in a utopian, private world. In Baldwin’s reality, we have relatively little control over our own identities. Our lives are conducted in both the private and public sphere and “who we are” is defined by society just as much as by the individual. The relationships in Another Country are complicated and destructive because the characters can not separate their public selves from their private selves. The very private act of sex becomes a stage for their public frustrations to be played out. [/QUOTE] http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/ology/perspectives_meagan.shtml [/QB][/QUOTE]
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