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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] There are hundreds of academic articles, books and dissertations published each year about precolumbian cultures. There are both academic journals and more popular magazines that are either fully dedicated to the study of precolumbian cultures or at least publish articles about it. There are also a lot of conferences, meetings and seminars where researchers meet and discuss precolumbian cultures. When you attend such meetings or read most of the literature, you will see that ideas about African or Black presence in precolumbian America is not commonly presented there. They are mostly regarded as fringe. I have sofar not attended a single seminar where such ideas have been seriously discussed. Afrocentric ideas or theories have no big influence among precolumbian scholars. On a personal note I think that both the Eurocentric and Afrocentric ideas are insulting to Native Americans, implying they are not the original inhabitants of the Americas, or they could not build great civilisations by themselves, or they could not invent things like pyramids by themselves. Such thoughts are deeply colonial, and it is a pity that some Afrocentrics have bought into old colonial thinking and now apply it against native Americans. Rather nasty. Just some books and magazines about precolumbian cultures [IMG]https://image.bokus.com/images/9780199875009_200x_oxford-handbook-of-mesoamerican-archaeology[/IMG] [IMG]https://s2.adlibris.com/images/8110242/handbook-of-south-american-archaeology.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/covers/9780195380118.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.archaeologicalconservancy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Fall-2020-cover.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61-fOR2QnvL._SX378_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTISStjvo0bx0yYIzDg1ulnEavyXAS4-PZHe9xoqYjvuiXaax1i[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]. The fact remains the Olmecs do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC. There is no secret about the Olmecs. Eurocentrists know that the Olmec do not appear in Mexico until after 1200BC. Some researchers claim that I am wrongly ruling out an “indigenous revolution” for the origin of the Olmec civilization. This is their opinion—the archaeological evidence, not I, suggest that the founders of the Olmec civilization were not “indigenous” people. In the Olmec World: Ritual and Rulership (1995), (ed.) by Carolyn Tate, on page 65, we find the following statement”Olmec culture as far as we know seems to have no antecedents; no material models remain for its monumental constructions and sculptures and the ritual acts captured in small objects”. M. Coe, writing in Regional Perspective on the Olmecs (1989), (ed.) by Sharer and Grove, observed that “ on the contrary, the evidence although negative, is that the Olmec style of art, and Olmec engineering ability suddenly appeared full fledged from about 1200 BC”. Mary E. Pye, writing in Olmec Archaeology in Mesoamerica (2000), (ed.) by J.E. Cark and M.E. Pye,makes it clear after a discussion of the pre-Olmec civilizations of the Mokaya tradition, that these cultures contributed nothing to the rise of the Olmec culture. Pye wrote “The Mokaya appear to have gradually come under Olmec influence during Cherla times and to have adopted Olmec ways. We use the term olmecization to describe the processes whereby independent groups tried to become Olmecs, or to become like the Olmecs” (p.234). Pye makes it clear that it was around 1200 BC that Olmec civilization rose in Mesoamerica. She continues “Much of the current debate about the Olmecs concerns the traditional mother culture view. For us this is still a primary issue. Our data from the Pacific coast show that the mother culture idea is still viable in terms of cultural practices. The early Olmecs created the first civilization in Mesoamerica; they had no peers, only contemporaries” (pp.245-46). Richard A. Diehl The Olmecs:America’s first civilization (2005), wrote “ The identity of these first Olmecs remains a mystery. Some scholars believe they were Mokaya migrants from the Pacific coast of Chiapas who brought improved maize strains and incipient social stratification with them. Others propose that Olmec culture evolved among the local indigenous populations without significant external stimulus. I prefer the latter position, but freely admit that we lack sufficient information on the period before 1500 BC to resolve the issue” (p.25). Pool (17-18), in Olmec Archaeology and early MesoAmerica (2007), argues that continuity exist between the Olmec and pre-Olmec cultures in Mexico “[even]though Coe now appears to favor an autochthonous origin for Olmec culture (Diehl & Coe 1995:150), he long held that the Olmec traits appeared at San Lorenzo rather suddenly during the Chicharras phase (ca 1450-1408 BC) (Coe 1970a:25,32; Coe and Diehl 1980a:150)”. Pool admits (p.95), that “this conclusion contrasts markedly with that of the excavators of San Lorenzo, who reported dramatic change in ceramic type and argued on this basis for a foreign incursion of Olmecs into Olman (Coe and Diehl 1980a, p.150).” The evidence presented by these authors make it clear that the Olmec introduced a unique culture to Mesoamerica that was adopted by the Mesoamericans. As these statements make it clear that was no continuity between pre-Olmec cultures and the Olmec culture. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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