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Would anyone try to hide any black presence in precolumbian America?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [QB] Seems some people want to see "negroes" everywhere. But actually science do not find them in precolumbian Americas. Archaeology, anthropology, art history and genetics refute the ideas of a precolumbian African presence in ancient Americas. Also iconography do actually not support any African presence. Both Olmec art and Mayan art depicts people that are actually fully in line with Native American phenotypic variation. [IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c3472031e8999768e120c1195954056[/IMG] [i]The Olmec stone heads actually fits well into Native American variation. No need to postulate any foreign (African) influence[/i] Also Mayan art most often show features that still can be seen among modern Maya peoples. No idea to look over the Atlantic. Variations can of course occur due to variations in artistic conventions over time and space, and also due to variation in the appearance of different Maya individuals and groups. Variation which can be seen still today. [IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-96cc4a1bc9dd22af7681abc33f22db21[/IMG] [i]Still today one can see faces among the Maya populations that very much resemble pictures from ancient Maya art[/i] Aztecs also depicted themselves in among other artworks in the famous codices. If one studies the codices one get a clear picture of the Aztecs not being African or negroid. [IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-11ac9484b72454d699a15b15aecc13dd[/IMG] [i]Picture from the Florentine codex, showing rituals and music players[/i] Some figures are black, but they often represent people in body paint, as warriors or priests. Sometimes they can also depict supernatural beings who could sometimes be black (and a lot of other colors too). [IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8c97715e768314ff9491f668fed32ebb[/IMG] [i]Picture from Codex Mendoza depicting four warriors with black body paint[/i] Many times one can also see old European paintings, many times made by artists who never even visited the Americas and never saw any real native Americans, presented as if they actually represented some kind of "black" natives. But if one studies those representations one soon learns to distingusih them from real paintings by artists that actually saw the natives in the Americas (or at least saw natives that visited Europe. Here is a typical example seen in many Afrocentric sites on internet. I contrast it with a painting depicting a real native: [IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2a310d80e761da92d6b50f1b61b142f6[/IMG] [i]African inspired picture made by Johann Ihle 1794 of an alleged native from Tierra Del Fuego in South America (Ihle never visited Tierra del Fuego or saw any real Fuegians), compared with a picture of a real Fuegian made by Conrad Martens who travelled with the ship Beagle and actually visited Tierra del Fuego and saw the natives there.[/i] One more example: [IMG]https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-21d3f2f8259328cb47fb36fe643020cd[/IMG] [i]The left picture from 1797, representing an African from Natal has sometimes been presented as a picture of a Native American. For contrast one can compare with a painting from 1585, by John White of a real Native American. As I said, one learns to see the difference between pictures of real Native Americans and fake ones, depicting other peoples.[/i] Sometimes one can get a bit tired of all the pseudo scientific speculations which try to insert all kinds of foreign peoples from other continents (like Africans or Europeans) into the history of precolumbian Americas. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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