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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elmaestro: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: It is truly surprising that someone as intelligent and knowledgeable as you would still advocate for the notion of an ancient black North Africa, despite all the information you've come across. However, it is important to note that North Africans do indeed possess indigenous ancestry, and the non-indigenous ancestry you mention has been present in the region since the Pleistocene era. Light skin appeared in the region since at least the mid-6th millennium BC, alongside an Anatolian component that constituted a significant portion of the DNA in ancient and modern samples. Furthermore, numerous migrations during the Copper and Bronze Ages introduced additional European ancestry. Moreover, there is no reason to believe that Pleistocene North Africans would have had the same level of skin pigmentation as equatorial Africans, particularly considering their evolution in the Mediterranean region over an extended period. I fail to understand your argument in this regard, as the presence or absence of dark skin does not establish any genetic or morphological similarities between North Africans and Afro-Americans, who often attempt to appropriate the history and heritage of our ancestors. Regardless of whether you believe in a "cumulative bias," the existing data does not support your position. Additionally, I see no reason for the "potential phenotype" of Seti I to instill fear in me, as I am already aware of the typical appearance of Egyptians during his time. [/QUOTE]You can barely address my position let alone tell if the data supports it. I literally tell you what's going to happen before it happens (Academically) and yet you still equate some of my arguments to a simplified and generalized assertion of "Equatorial Africans in North Africa." You weave together false points to argue against because the obvious nuance makes you uncomfortable. There are literally still Dark skinned North Africans today. The extent as to how much the pocketed dark skinned North Africans owe their ancestry to the slave trade hasn't been fully explored. We had a.DNA of North Africans who are genotypically dark skinned despite the generalized Eurasian ancestry. We have the "Eurasian" Aka North African Ancestors of the Equatorial Ancestors Academia was so keen in investigating. ...they were dark skinned and culturally African. Why you can't accept these facts as is, I have no clue. You say [i]"there is no reason to believe that Pleistocene North Africans would have had the same level of skin pigmentation as equatorial Africans."[/i] This is a meaningless assertion. Which equatorial Africans? There's evidence that some Equatorial Africans have darkened in the last 70kya maybe, but other than those groups there is no evidence to suggest that the North Africans or even the Pleistocene Eurasians had light skin outside of the variation covered by putative Africans today. This is evidenced by the fact that North Africans such as yourself carry the same alleles for skin pigmentation that we've identified a 1000 times over. [i]and still[/i] the Average North African is relatively darker than their related southern or western European of today. you also say, -"[i]as the presence or absence of dark skin does not establish any genetic or morphological similarities between North Africans and Afro-Americans.[/i]" - Which hilariously has nothing to do with my argument. But since you want to go there and target African Americans, lets go there. Do you [b]specifically[/b] deny Morphological Overlap with Ancient North Africans and [b]African Americans[/b]. I'm going to write the question again in a slightly different way to make it abundantly clear what I'm asking lol. ...ready? Are you arguing that what people considered today as African American have no Morphological or phenotypic overlap with Ancient North Africans? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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