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[QUOTE]Originally posted by the lioness,: [QB] [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/f1/35/0eKqdioh_o.png[/IMG] Much of the 2020 U.S. census reflects the view of Americans. It reflects the most common usage in America. Although they do switch certain things sometimes, or add or take away things in an attempt to satisfy as may people as possible with this form. Obviously some of these categorization some people might argue with but I want to stick here to the topic "blacks" and "Indians", these categories . Ideally skin color would not be used on the census and if it was to be used it should not be attached to ethnic nationalities So if someone insisted on color categorizing people those skin color box should be entirely separate with no examples of ethnic groups. A color chart would not have any of these suggested nationality biases on who is black (but better yet not have any colors on the census, that is dumb as hell) Notice for instance how there are no color boxes attached to Chinese, Japanese and Koreans and many others. It says at the top one can mark more than one box So if somebody checks Chinese or Japanese or Korean and if they are as light as a European will they also pick "white"?? Probably not because that "white" box has examples next to it and none are East Asian and Asians don't like to identify as colors anyway In the same way someone who checks "Asian Indian" who might have very dark skin is not likely to pick "black" in addition to "Asian Indian" and if we look the list of examples for the "black" box none are Asian Now all of this is kind of stupid but it does reflect the way vast majority of Americans think. For instance the average American is not going to call this person "black" >> [IMG]https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2015_15/965306/vijaychokalingam.jpeg[/IMG] Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam The average American perceives "black" as meaning someone with dark skin who has one or more other physical traits they perceive as common to Africans that are not only dark skin. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: What's funny is that the guy who is Mindy Kaling's brother, just shaved his head. As if hair texture determines whether one is black or not. What about Africans who have loose wavy hair texture? [/QUOTE]Simply bringing up Africans implies that to most Americans perceive "black" as a person of African descent not just anyone with dark skin and likewise in the census above all the examples they give for "black" are either of Africans or people of the African diaspora, AAs, Jamaicans. etc And whether or not we agree with categories this is current word usage of the term "black" by most Americans and in many European countries But Doug and Djehuti's definition of a black person is anybody with dark skin (although never providing a method of determining who is dark skinned and who is not) I'm not saying that is better or worse but it is clearly not how most Americans use the word Most Americans would point to some traits common in Africans that are not just dark skin. And they would say that for somebody to be "black" the person should have one or more of these other traits to begin to regard the person as black. That's why when you look at the census above the categories "black" and "white" don't stand alone, they have examples and those examples have geographical regional limitations [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: The term black is a reference to a color and in this case skin complexion. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: the label of 'black' is based on skin color. [/QUOTE][IMG]https://rewirenewsgroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Mindy-Kahlings-Brother.jpg[/IMG] Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam [QUOTE][i]I shaved my head, trimmed my long Indian eyelashes, joined the University of Chicago’s Organization of Black Students (a black friend ran it, knew my scam and got me in) and began applying to medical schools as a black man. I transposed my middle name with my first name and became Jojo, the African-American applicant... [/QUOTE][/i] According to Doug and Djehuti, Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam is black and if he picked "Asian Indian" on the census but did not also pick "black" he is simply in denial, he is black. So without even commenting on if he is "black" or not all of these deceptive things he did demonstrate that the average American does not perceive black people as simply "anybody with dark skin" And affirmative action programs do not categorize people by skin alone (if at all) Thus since most Americans use the word "black" to mean a dark skinned person of African or African diaspora descant he was compelled to use these little tricks and gimmicks beyond being about dark which he already has. It is possible that his medical school application did have a check box for "black" or was it "African American" I'm not sure. If it said "African American" than Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam should have titled his book "Almost African American" and we would not have to even bother with what these ambiguous terms "white" and "black" should mean [IMG]https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/414UvN+SFFL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg[/IMG] 2016 However in the thread topic article he wrote he says [QUOTE] https://nypost.com/2015/04/12/mindy-kalings-brother-explains-why-he-pretended-to-be-black/ [i]I was always in a state of terror that I would be found out. During one interview at Case Western Reserve University, I was confronted by a black doctor and admissions committee member. He barraged me with questions about my family and personal background. I said that my family came from Nigeria. It was technically correct because my Indian parents had lived in Nigeria before moving to the United States. Finally he said, eyes cold, in more of a question than a statement, “I read your application. It says you’re black.” I nodded. Finally he said, eyes cold, in more of a question than a statement, “I read your application. It says you’re black.” I nodded.[/i] [/QUOTE]This means even if the application said "African American" one of these admissions interviewers asked him if he was black -And if this admissions interviewer who Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam describes as black himself asked Vijay “I read your application. It says you’re black.” then [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: The term black is a reference to a color and in this case skin complexion. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: the label of 'black' is based on skin color. [/QUOTE]^^ then obviously this black person did not agree with Doug or Djehuti, otherwise he would not have to make that remark. He would have simply looked at Vijay, seen the dark skin, determined he was black with his eyeballs and not have to say anything, But that is not how America works short video of Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam 2015, when the story hit the media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4LSOWTvGJg _____________________________________ . . [IMG]https://images2.imgbox.com/32/0c/LWCQbWoB_o.png[/IMG] 5 minute video of Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam Nov 5, 2022 speaking against Affirmative Action in higher education in front of the Supreme Court https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ87aAEYtJQ [/QB][/QUOTE]
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