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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] Yes, noone denies that racism is unfair, just as oppression in general. Prejudice and racism can be based on different parameters like skin color, but also religion and ethnicity as the case with the Jews in Europe who often had similar skin tones as the Europeans but still were persecuted through centuries, and where the culmination of the persecutions took place during WWII. Afican Americans are of course free to use the word black about themselves but in many debates they try to impose that word on peoples who, may have dark skin but still do not identify as black, which seems rather ethnocentric or shall we call it colorcentric. The word is a word sprung out of oppression and it is also a word which diminish the diversity among humans. If African Americans want to call themselves with an outdated term is their problem but they (and others too) ought to abstain from using it for people who identify themselves in other ways. It reminds me of an incident I saw on TV, a young woman from the Dominican Republic was sitting and talking with some African Americans. She said "Many Americans think I'm black (by this she meant African American)". Then she was mastered by several of those present who said "but you are black". She said she did not identify as black but as Dominican, but they insisted she was black. It didn't seem like they really understood each other. For her, the identity as a Dominican was the most important, for the others the skin color was the most important and with which they identified themselves, and also identified her. So maybe the word black should be reserved only for those who identify as black, and avoided for people who don't identify that way. Because after all, black is a leftover colonial term that doesn't even represent what most people look like (except for a few who are almost literally black). I do not defend Indians they also have their own biases like colorism, an outdated caste system, religious conflicts and also they took over the role as colonial power on for example the Andaman islands where they since the independence from the Brits continued to swamp those islands making the original inhabitants (Onge, Great Andamanese, Jarawas and Sentinelese) a small minority among hundreds of thousands Indians. [/qb][/QUOTE]The reason why this isn't about religion or anything else is because the obvious difference between European settlers and African slaves is skin color. So religion had nothing to do with it as the Africans were stripped of their languages, culture and religious practices. And this system started with the Spanish and Portuguese which is why the word for black used in America was Negro. But you refuse to admit that the system of skin color based racism did not come from black people in order to promote this lie that black people using the word black are spreading racism. That is a lie and simply you trying to promote historical falsehoods in order to slander black people and blame them for things they had nothing to do with. That is all you do on these threads, which is low key passive aggressive attacks on black people, as if everything is their fault and nobody else has any blame. According to you colorism starts with black people and nobody else. This s the nonsense I am talking about. So if there is anybody promoting colorism in America or in the study of history, it is black peoples fault, yet the whole entire history of Europeans using skin color to segregate populations into "races" for different treatment is somehow ignored by you. And this is why you created this thread, to claim that this Indian person didn't get into University somehow because of black people promoting racism. You claim to stand up in defense of people 's rights, but never the rights of black people. So the Egyptian government can be wrong as two left shoes, but somehow that gets a pass because black people caused them to be that way. As if the history of colorism in Egypt is not due to invasion and conquest but Africans calling themselves black. Then you claim that racism is bad and evil but then turn around and claim that i is black people's fault for promoting it? Like how is that? Again, refusing to admit that this issue is strictly an issue of skin color and that the people who created Egyptology did it to promote the ancient NIle Valley as being created by people with light skin who were NOT of African origin. And the facts that have been discussed at length on this forum contradicts that narrative and people like you are the ones who get offended because you believe those lies. So of course it isn't wrong for Europeans to promote those lies, it is the black Africans who stand up against those lies who are the problem. I don't know who you think you are kidding with this nonsense. Ultimately the point you refuse to acknowledge and accept that the whole issue of blackness being seen as exclusive to Africa is due to the European concepts of racial hierarchies. And according to this hierarchies, black Africans are at the very bottom of the human evolutionary and social ladder. Therefore, other populations who also have black skin can be above black Africans in a European social hierarchy even if they have the same skin color. But as this thread shows,black skin has never been limited just to Africa, but that isn't the point. The point is EUorpeans having the power to define races and policies based on race in terms of social dynamics and benefits within society. And in that system they always promote white skin above all others with Europeans at the very top and other groups in between and black Africans on the bottom. And it is because of that idea that black Africans are on the very bottom of the human evolutionary tree, they reject the idea of the ancient Nile Valley being black. Because that contradicts the racial pyramid they have spent the last 500 years or more building for themselves. And many other populations have bought into that pyramid based on skin color even if they aren't seen as "white" like Europeans. So please don't sit up here and pretend you didn't know this so you can argue that somehow it is a problem that came from black people. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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