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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [QB] [QUOTE]You created this thread again as a passive aggressive attack on black people by trying to claim that is the African Americans who created racism based on skin color in the United States and everywhere else. And this is why I am calling you out on it because you keep trying to play dumb about the history of conquest, theft, oppression and slavery as part of European colonial expansion and how skin color is important to maintaining European domination.[/QUOTE]I did not say that African Americans created racism, but some of them perpetuate it and accept colonial labels on themselves and other peoples. Maybe time to abandon colonial labels and colonial thinking? [QUOTE]And here you are again trying so hard to blame black people for racism of Europeans acting like you don't know that the only reason African Americans used the word "black" is because it is a better term than "Negro". And the only reason they used "black" is because they didn't want to use "African" because their African identity had been stripped from them by Europeans during slavery. And they were forced to identify as "Negro" because Europeans used their skin color as a marker of slave status which goes back to the Spanish and Portuguese racial caste systems. But of course you keep skipping over all of that knowing full well that Africans in Africa don't simply identify as "black" as opposed to the ethnic group they belong to or language they speak. But you keep trying to spout this nonsense that somehow that Africans coming off the slave ships were demanding to be called "Negro" or "black" when they weren't. You keep saying it and you keep being wrong and this is why I keep calling you out on it.[/QUOTE]African Americans can call themselves "black" if they like, it is their problems. But they should abstain calling other peoples black who do not identify as such. To do so is a sign of colonial mentality. [QUOTE]Yes, there is no true difference between "negro" and "black" as they both mean the same thing, but the point was for African Americans to define themselves as opposed to being defined by others. But changing labels is not changing the system itself and the discrimination against people based on skin color which is the core problem. And you keep trying to avoid that in order to focus on the semantics of words so you an pretend it is a problem with black people using the word black and not racism itself.[/QUOTE]As I said, African Americans ought to stop imposing the black label on other, ancient or present, peoples (at least if those peoples do not define themselves or their ancestors as black). If they want to call themselves an outdated colonial label it is their problem. [QUOTE]Racism was enforced by violence in all cases, by Europeans, but according to you it is black people who are the problem, not the Europeans that created all these atrocities to maintain this system based on skin color.[/QUOTE]Now many European countries move away from that system. But if Americans do not want to develop it is their problem. Racism was in many ways upheld longer time in USA than in many European countries. Among other they had antiquated laws against interracial marriages, laws that many European countries not seen. Here in Sweden we did not have such laws even in the time the first Africans came to Sweden in the 18th century. [QUOTE]YOU created this thread to whine about the word "black" and "black people" not me. So you need to ask yourself why you are so obsessed with "black" people and what they think to the point of trying to argue that racism is their fault and not those of your native Europe.[/QUOTE]No one force you to troll this thread, you can leave it, then you do not have to bother. The point of this thread is to show that people can have the same color and still be treated differently, ie skin color is not the only thing that divides USA, there are other rifts in society too. But it is maybe easier to focus on the "black and white" problem instead of analyzing the society in a deeper and more comprehensive way. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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