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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [qb] Yes Natufians are notably distant from my Iberomaurusian ancestors too: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/ouK1Ixy.jpg[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]Yet they are still much closer to each other than West African Yoruba and Bantu speaking Himba of South Africa! [IMG]https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a9793158a38c2b06813f2e23511c39fe[/IMG] But you have no problem putting both Yoruba and Himba together into a monolithic "Sub-Saharan" grouping! I thought it was made clear to you [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010844]before[/URL] but here it is again from Ethio-helix's article [URL=http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2017/01/human-genetic-diversity-discrete-or.html]Human Genetic Diversity ≠ Discrete or Pure Races[/URL]: [i] Nevertheless, I suppose one could argue that certain populations are genuinely "discrete" in that they have not shared certain ancestries in well over 35,000 years. For instance, this can be said about West-Central Africans when compared to East Asians but here things do get a bit dicey as well since, while you can assume they're discrete from one another, they themselves are probably not, to some great extent, "pure" or mostly pure entities. By that I mean... They too are probably, in some part, the result of admixture rather than mostly or entirely being linear developments from a singular ancestral population which is how the old racialist model might paint things. For example, the quite diverse mtDNA profiles (simply based on their non-M&N lineages) of groups like Omotic speaking Southwestern Ethiopians, Niger-Congo speaking West-Central Africans and Nilo-Saharan speaking Southern Sudanese people tend to imply that they are probably the result of admixture between distinct pre-historic populations within Africa itself. [note] [b]Some of these ancestral populations were possibly even as distinct from each other as the San are from modern West-Central Africans (time divergence appears greater than the time-divergence between West-Central Africans and the Han-Chinese, and genetic drift (based on Fst) is comparable to the drift between the Han-Chinese and the English).[/b] [b]**Groups that would count as "Negroids" within Africa should also not be seen as some sort of genetic monolith. They're not**[/b]... And even the old racialist model didn't truly imply as much. There's often a West-Central African cluster ("Niger-Congo" above) and an East African-cluster ("Nilo-Saharan" above) in ADMIXTURE runs, for instance. [b]The Fst between these two clusters, as an example, is a little over 1/2 the Fst between the East Asian and European clusters above.[/b] Also, based on Haplotypic data, the time divergence between some of these "African" ancestries (i.e. the African elements in Somalis and the African elements in Yorubas) implies they possibly haven't shared ancestry in over 30,000-40,000 years or so which is comparable to the, so far, supposed time-divergence between ENAs and the ancestors of European Hunter-Gatherers.[/i] [QUOTE][qb]Iberomaurusians appear closer to Natufians primarily due to shared ancestry and their non-African ancestry. You're totally humiliated once again and you can't deny the genetic distinction between Natufians and Africans is undeniable. You won't manipulate and Africanize/blackwash our ancestors to fit your narrative, attempting to appropriate them and dismiss all the genetic and anthropological evidence. [/qb][/QUOTE]Again you presume "non-African" ancestry when such has yet to be substantiated unless you disagree with the growing consensus that Basal Eurasian is African. You say there is a distinction between Natufians and Africans yet forget the fact that Egyptians share much of the Natufians' ancestry. But of course Egyptians aren't really African either and neither are the Nubians who also share the same ancestry! [b]LMAO[/b] :D So no I don't have to "manipulate" anything the way you desperately attempt to distort the findings. No need for me to "Africanize" what is already African and again with that absurd oxymoronic term of "blackwash". You can't wash something "black" but WHITE which is what you are constantly doing. The accurate phrase is 'paint black'. Which I don't have to do because the genetics also show the populations you speak of to be highly melanated. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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