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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] Yes, all religions, political ideologies and science can be corrupted or used to justify things like war, oppression or murder. In old times here where I live certain Bible passages (together with popular superstition) were used to justify the murder and torture of women accused of witchcraft. And the priests from the church often were rather active in the persecution of these witches, and also of the Sami people whose original religion and culture were suppressed.[/qb][/QUOTE]Actually witch-hunts in Europe began [i]before[/i] Christian times starting in Rome and other Italian provinces of the Roman Empire. Many of these witches were folk healers and shamans that had the allegiance of plebes (common people) and against the Roman Patricians (elites). In fact while the bible is clear that the penalty of witchcraft was the same as adultery-- stoning, the Roman penalty for maleficarum (harmful magic) was burning at the stake. The same trend occurred in Christian times with most of the persecutions being instigated by lords and nobles and [i]not[/i] the church initially. Ironically, the churches and clergy who were most involved in witch-hunts were the Protestant churches like Lutherans and Anglicans post Protestant reformation. There's an excellent book by Max Dashu on the topic: [IMG]https://veleda.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Witches-and-Pagans-Women-in-European-Folk-Religion-by-Max-Dashu.jpeg[/IMG] [QUOTE][qb]Christian (and Muslim) ideas have been used to justify "holy" wars which only purpose were to promote the interests of the elites. Often these wars did not favor the ordinary people.[/qb][/QUOTE]Christianity did not teach warfare at least not offensive warfare like Islam, hence the Islamic expansions of conquest known as al-Fatiha while the Crusades were a defensive reaction to the former. [QUOTE][qb]Still today we see different groups using religious arguments for violence.[/qb][/QUOTE]Really? I only see one group, maybe two in the case of Israel. Most Christians around the world are persecuted because they do not have the means to fight back. [QUOTE][qb]Today here in Western Europe religion has become harder to use as an effective means to exert power. Instead different corruptions of science have become more common as tools of control. [/qb][/QUOTE]Indeed, if you mean Christian religion then yes in Western Europe it has been impotent enough to where Islam has taken root but of course this was all by design of the powers who control Western countries. Even here in the U.S. where Christianity is still strong you never hear of any churches or Christian groups using violence or the threat there of yet even they are being persecuted by government forces. Have you heard of the U.S. State department monitoring traditional Catholics as a "terror threat"?! It is happening. [QUOTE][qb] When it comes to the correlation between acceptance of evolution and tolerance I think an important factor is also education. Well educated people, especially in the field of science tend to accept evolution. Same well educated people seldom show overt racism. So one can wonder if the tolerance maybe are more related to educational level than religion.[/qb][/QUOTE]I disagree. I think there is little correlation since most (though not all) of the white supremacists that I have encountered in real life but especially in the internet were humanist secularist types who used evolutionary arguments for their reason while most whites who are against racism are traditional Christians who believe in equal human dignity. Really it depends on the values that person is being taught whether at home or elsewhere by other sources. [QUOTE][qb]In USA Buddhists and Hindus are open to the idea of evolution. Many Asian immigrants are also relatively well educated. On top of that Buddhism and Hinduism have another view of time, and also about afterlife than many Christians and Muslims, and evolution are maybe easier to fit into their world view.[/qb][/QUOTE]Yes but people from such Asian cultures did not have traditions of racism like Western Europe had. Ironically most of the racism I see in Asia comes from countries that had the most Western influence especially Japan who racial ideas were shaped by their Nazi German allies, but even Korea and China who were influenced by communist-Soviet ideas of biological humanism. [QUOTE][qb]Belief in evolution seems also relative high among Jews (in USA and Western Europe) who also are relatively well educated. If they are more tolerant is maybe another matter. [/qb][/QUOTE]Well the majority of those Jews are secular (like the communist Jews who founded the modern state of Israel) and attitudes may vary depending on the community. Most Jews I've encountered are not racist at least that I know of while you have others that are even in the state of Israel where Ashkenazi Jews would call darker Sephardim and Mizrahim "African monkeys" even though ironically they are closer to the original Judeans. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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