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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: The point is the Egyptian government aren't attacking Nas, Beyonce, Eddie Murphy or any other black entertainer directly. Because it isn't appropriation and they know they have no case. They are solely attacking the Dutch museum for presenting these entertainers in an exhibit for dressing like ancient Nile Valley Africans. So why are you using this to attack black Americans when the Egyptian government isn't doing it? Obviously the whole point is to promote anti-black propaganda, but even Egypt isn't silly enough to attack Beyonce or Nas directly, because they know they have no legal or ethical argument to make against artistic freedom or in support of appropriation. All of this in the context of the last 500 years of European outright theft of Africans and African historical and cultural artifacts. And the outright appropriation of African culture as well. [/QUOTE]They do not attack Beyonce and the others but they still show what they think about the exhibition and about African American artists dressing up as Egyptians. And they also showed what they thought of the Netflix Cleopatra movie. The two discussions are related. [QUOTE]No because the Dutch exhibit had nothing to do with any such "internet trolls" and unless you can show or prove that the Dutch museum was influenced by such trolls, you are just trying to form a narrative to discredit actual black scholarship by using random "black trolls". Because you have been on this forum for a while and you havent been able to disprove or beat any actual legitimate scholarship and facts, so you need to make up boogey men to justify your pathetic anti black propaganda. [/QUOTE]Seems you are unable to see these things in a context. Netflix Cleopatra, the Dutch exhibition, Black American artists that Egypt does not approve of, and even internet trolls are just parts of a larger discussion where Egypt is tired of African Americans (and maybe also other westerners) in different ways using their ancient culture partly for commercial reasons and, as in the Cleopatra case, probably also for some kind of political purposes. [QUOTE]Oh so now you are telling black people that they aren't Africans? And who exactly stripped these black people of their African languages, cultural traditions and identity? Last I checked, it was the white Europeans that did this during slavery. So it sounds like to me this is a case of Europeans trying to control the identity of black people by telling them what is and isn't "their" history, what names they can use for their skin color and what they should and shouldn't identify with in history. Because obviously these black people came from Africa, so obviously that makes them Africans. The fact that you would sit here and try to argue otherwise shows that nothing you are saying has any value or merit in any way. Again, nothing but anti-black, anti-African propaganda. [/QUOTE]Well whoever stripped Africans Americans from their historical roots it was not Egyptians. So better African Americans try to find their roots in those parts of Africa their ancestors once came from. Some of the obsession over ancient Egypt seems more or less neurotic. And how long do a people who live on another continent remain Africans, 200 years, 500 years or more? Most African Americans have never been in Egypt or in other parts of Africa. Most do not talk any African language, most do not practice any traditional African religion, and most do not know more about Africa than anyone else. Fact is that when it comes to Egypt many more Europeans have been to Egypt than African Americans, yes it would not even surprise me that more Swedes have been in Egypt than African Americans. If African Americans are Africans then white South Africans are also Africans, since they lived in Africa some centuries now, roughly as long as African Americans lived outside of Africa. [QUOTE]Originally posted ]Why are you talking about all the world? I posted the facts from Egypt that in 2022 the most popular music on Spotify was rap. If Egypt was so proud and distinct in their culture as "not" Africans, why are they practicing culture from Africans? Somehow you don't want to address the contradiction.[/QUOTE]Chief X, who is himself an African American, is just comparing some African Americans obsessive behaviour with some other peoples who do not obsess over foreign countries in the same way. Seems he sees through some of the Afrocentric Bs and obsessions. Egypt does not necessarily dislike African culture, but maybe they dislike African American culture, which is not African. [QUOTE] Totally irrelevant to the facts about either the Dutch exhibit or the popularity of rap in modern Egypt. Like I said, nothing of vale from you but babble about black people stealing other peoples culture and not having any of their own of value, blah blah. And when presented with facts, you duck and dodge like you always do. [/QUOTE]Totally relevant because it shows that not everyone loves rap, hip hop and similar pop cultural phenomena. In many countries it is a question of societal group, age, class and other factors, which decide who mostly listen to a certain kind of music, or embrace certain cultural expressions and influences. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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