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Nicole20
Member # 8703
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Hi there,
As all women on this site know, there is a mjor problem here in egypt with the treatment of women in public places. On a personal note, i have been living here for 4 months and it is driving me crazy, i cant go out on the street without becomming extremely angry. Just last week my husabnd beat a guy in Talat Harb for touching my arse-the nerve!! (the guy not my husband) I know this harrassement is happenning to all girls in egypt, egyptian and foreigners. Anyway this is my point:

Some friends and I are starting an awareness campaign about this problem, which we very strongly feel must be controlled. Mys3elf and another girl are based here in Cairo and the third friend is living in New York and seeking supprot and funding from people. We have been trying to interview people about their experiences so we can use it as evidence for funding bodies as to the extent of the problem but we have not been very successful in getting responses.

I would like to ask people to email their experiences to me at nicole_leathem@yahoo.com.au

If you can include information about how long you have spent in egypt, the kinds of harrassment you have experienced, what areas you experienced it, how it makes you feel, what you tell other people about your experiences in egypt..especially foreigners thinkning about travelling here, how it effects your life here, ummm, and anything else you think is relevant...i will post more if i remember anything.

If anybody is interested in helping us with this we want to expand the number of people involved, espescially egytians who will understand a lot of do's and donts that maybe we cant understand.

If anybody had some ideas, please post whatever is going through your mind about this.

Cheers

Oh! and guys also please tell me your experiences and feelings about these occurances happening to your sisters, wives, girlfriends, mothers, etc
 

Nicole20
Member # 8703
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Come on girls, we need your help!
 
Nicole20
Member # 8703
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A bit more info...

We are only in the beginning phase at the moment. We are trying to get support from NGO's in Egypt at the moment and our friend Lyra is in the US trying to get funding. Our aim is to use different Media tool...initially posters and a documentary and from there, Newspapers, magazine and television. Lyra is a film maker and has a Masters in Human rights, Kristen is a Journalist and a friend of hers does photography. We have a lot of women who are interested in helping us with this and offering their skills. At the moment we are planning of taking the angle what these men are doing to girls on the street could be happening to their sisters, wives, mothers, girlfriends etc. People are very protective over their families here so we think this will be an effective approach. But first we need a report from people about what is happening to them to use as evidence for supporting NGOs. Then we hope to form a discussion group consisting of both egyptians and foreigners about the best ways to tackle this. But as i said we are in the initial stages.


Please email me at nicole_leathem.com.au with your experiences and let me know if you are interested in being involved

 

egyptourguide
Member # 5233
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just advice for all girls who are suffering hassle ,advice from Egyptian female that((modest ,modest, modest in clothes will protect you well))insha ALLAH
an Long,wide clothes be better also some tourists were like putting veil when they were traveling alone and mostly every one thought them are Egyptian women((does any one try that))
also please be justify some thing and look how many man walking at streets and how many man bothering you in ,yes one can spoiled every thing but at same time mostly Egypt is safe for women
and i welcome offering any help i can do

[This message has been edited by egyptourguide (edited 06 September 2005).]

[This message has been edited by egyptourguide (edited 06 September 2005).]

[This message has been edited by egyptourguide (edited 07 September 2005).]
 

mysticheart
Member # 6838
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quote:
Originally posted by egyptourguide:
just advice for all girls who are suffering hassle ,advice from Egyptian female that((modest ,modest, modest in clothes will protect you well))insha ALLAH
an Long,wide clothes be better also some tourists were like putting veil when they were traveling alone and mostly every one thought them are Egyptian women((dose any one try that))
also please be justify some thing and look how many man walking at streets and how many man bothering you in ,yes one can spoiled every thing but at same time mostly Egypt is safe for women
and i welcome offering any help i can do

[This message has been edited by egyptourguide (edited 06 September 2005).]

[This message has been edited by egyptourguide (edited 06 September 2005).]


Im thinking along the same lines. While it is never ok to be treated in this manner no matter what you are wearing it does help if you are modestly dressed. Common sense says that a guy will show you interest of a sexual nature if you dress revealingly but as i said before it is also no excuse for being treated that way. I personally never ever had any type of harrassment while in cairo or sharm. I dressed pretty normally, nothing tight or short or revealing, mostly business type dress or t shirts and jeans in cairo, also though i always had my boyfriend with me so maybe that was a difference. In sharm the man who is now my ex boyfriend had me dressing a bit provocative and showy and yes i did get alot of looks from guys but none said anything to me or dared to approach me, but again i was never alone really. I guess there were times i stood outside his shop alone but i got nothing more than guys looking and smiling. I was always told that if any man gave me a single problem of any type to just go to the police that are standing practically everywhere, they would take care of it.
If this is a big problem girls and women should come forward and make a stand against this in any country.
 

Nicole20
Member # 8703
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Yeah thats right, foreigners should dress conservatively. This post is not only for foreigners but egyptians also. Dress helps, but in my experience, for myself it doesn't make a difference. Any harassment is harassment. What i am interested in is stopping the problem from its cause not just trying to minimise it.

Also, as you said it is certainly different if you are with a guy.

Thanks for your ideas
 

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Member # 3567
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Nicole, the problem is not easy to resolve, actually I believe its impossible. Most guys who are infact harrassing women are coming from a lower social class, some don't even know how to read and write. Its a totally different culture in Egypt. Women in general have tough lives there, harrassment is just one issue of discrimination. I posted on your other thread some contacts of women right organization inside Cairo, you might want to get in contact with one or the other person to gain more information and to exchange views.

Good luck with your campaign!
 

Nicole20
Member # 8703
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Hi there,

we are planning to hold a discussion group on Wednesday the 21st September...those interested please e mail me.

Nicole
 

loborules
Member # 5457
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Hi Nicole--

It is great and wonderful, that someone has the balls to bring this subject up. However its just not an Egyptian problem, its also an American problem, and a world wide problem. The street harassment, and the undeclared War against Women, has been brewing for decades.

As a woman, I get so sick and tired, in the US, of the damn catcalls, hoots, whistles, etc... I used to ride the bus, and would get proposited, non stop. Waiting out at the bus stop, at 6am just praying that the bus would be on time, as a car drives towards me and stops. I am so f(((( sick of it, and I personally think women should carry a damn AK 47, and just start shooting at these asshole men. They should take all the guns, arms, etc,,, away from men, and let the women have them..with a big roll of duct tape.

Oprah Winfrey, as an experiment brought various men, guilty of harassment. They were tied to a chair, and women would walk by them and harass them. They (the men) couldn't say anything back, and all of them ended up crying, and very upset. And none of them realized what they were doing.

One thing to bring this problem is having actors, and actresses, act out various scenerios in schools, mosques, markets, etc. Develop a situation, and then have the verbal abuse, and the confrontatin, and then a solution. I don't think some of these men, realize what they are doing, and until they are in the shoes of women, they will never know. Just like I think men should be forced to dress like women, and under go the abuse, harassment, and discrimination we get.

Take care, you go girl, education is the key.

 

* 7ayat *
Member # 7043
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quote:
Originally posted by Tigerlily:

Nicole, the problem is not easy to resolve, actually I believe its impossible. Most guys who are infact harrassing women are coming from a lower social class, some don't even know how to read and write. Its a totally different culture in Egypt. Women in general have tough lives there, harrassment is just one issue of discrimination. I posted on your other thread some contacts of women right organization inside Cairo, you might want to get in contact with one or the other person to gain more information and to exchange views.

Good luck with your campaign!


actually it is possible to do something about it. this harrasment thing is fairly new like ten years or something, which means that it didn't exist before. and why can't we go back like old times? nothing is impossible
 

Automatic For The People
Member # 7160
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quote:
Originally posted by 7aya:


actually it is possible to do something about it. this harrasment thing is fairly new like ten years or something,

That's not accurate. It's been going on for as long as I remember and I'm talking at least 30 years.
 



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