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[QUOTE]Originally posted by schatze: [QB] on the subject of intimate relations with egyptian men, i'd like to hear your views about what happened to me. i went to hurghada for the first time in april this year (with a friend from home) -there a met a local man and had what i considered at the time a holiday fling with him - he told me soon after we started seeing each other that he was married to an austrian (orfi marriage)who only visited him for the holidays and there were problems between them because she had not told her family about him (apparently because her family did not like black people), lied to her family as to where she was going when she took trips to see him in egypt and she would not have him going to see her in austria and she would not move to live with him in egypt - i did not bother much with all this as i did not think our fling would last beyond the holiday, especially because it was already married! - however, when i returned to england he kept texting me, declaring his feelings for me, asking me to go back, telling me that it was over with his wife etc etc - in short we maintained this relationship - although i was not planning to return to egypt at least until the end of this year (really liked the place and wanted to go back to see more of it), i decided to verify how true he was being and agreed to return in july - we had two lovely weeks, went to the sinai peninsula, really got close to each other and he really seemed very genuine in his feelings for me - in order to be together away from hurghada, we got married (orfi marriage - he ripped up the papers of the one with his austrian wife in front of me)and a few days before my return to england we went back to hurghada and stayed at his home with his family - when in hurghada he asked me to marry him properly - i said no because i am just about to embark in a 4 years of studying before i can move to egypt and, hopefully, make a decent living from running my own business - as i want to be living with my husband (not be miles away and only see each other for the holidays) i explained that i did not think it was fair to marry now because 4 years is a long time and anything can happen during them - we talked about staying friends and being business partners for when i am ready to move to egypt permanently - in this way, we could still have something together but also be free to make other relationships if that was what needed to happen to us - if we still felt the same about each other in the end, we were obviously meant to be together for real - after all, no marriage papers can be truer than the test of time - he was not entirely happy about this but seemed to understand and agreed - when i came back home he texted me for the first few days, usual amorous stuff, love, waiting for me etc etc - i daresay my replies were much the same - but in the last week everything has stopped - he has not answered my phone calls or my sms - this is highly unusual for him but i also know it is the way he behaved with his austrian wife at the end (although as far as i know he told her what the problem was and it did not include me!)- as we spent time together i got to know him a little better and i believed that he was a very honest person and would have told me if he did not want to continue a relationship with me - now i am a little confused but i know that this is likely to be me being upset about the events because i know that we are over - reading the replies posted here, someone said that a way for a westener to be considered cheap by egyptians is to sunbathe topless - when we went back to hurghada, he encouraged me to do just that - as a westener i do not have a problem with it especially because the beach was exclusively for europeans and others were doing it so i was not out of place and did not feel was offending anyone (which i am always careful not to do when i travel in foreign countries)- but there were egyptian staff and they were his friends/acquaintances - if the local mentality is as it is said, would someone who claims to love you and wants to marry you want you to be considered a whore by his own people? - no smartass answers please! [This message has been edited by schatze (edited 03 August 2003).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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