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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Undead: [QB] Tigerlily, it is still on point. I am using the German analogy to illustrate that the US doesn't just come to kick out the bad guy and then leave peacefully. Jutta wanted to debate the details and I indulged her. If you want to referee why don't you bring her back on point? Anyway, the US is still in Germany and they are still in Japan, more than 50 years later. How long do you think they will be in Iraq if the Iraqis don't struggle? Try and look at the big picture and you will see it is directly relevant. Additionally, it wasn't ONE case I was referring to. In both Germany and Japan over the last 50 years there have been cases numbering in the hundreds, and the unreported estimates are much higher. If you think the US military courts are vigilant prosecuting their own soldiers you are mistaken. First someone has to organize charges, then present it to the military operatives and then *hope* they do something. Usually nothing happens unless there is irrefutable evidence. In the publicized Japanese case that took place in Okinawa the four rapists (US soldiers) got SEVEN years for kidnapping, beating and brutally raping a child. Civilians in the US get more time in prison for that kind of crime. The USO didn't even want to turn the soldiers over to Japanese courts! Germany and Japan have both been pressuring the US to remove bases and have been in negotiation regarding it since at least 1995, so you aren't enlightening me with saying that the US has been scaling down their operations in those countries. Guess why they have been trying to get the US out? <IMG SRC="http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/rolleyes.gif"> Why do I care, you ask? Why do you care about Egypt? Don't you have enough to worry about in Germany? It is a stupid question but I will answer it anyway. I have German relatives, my Grandfather is German, my family has been involved in international law making(including German law) since before I was born. So, I was brought up both caring about and being educated regarding such matters. Besides, I have enough education, exposure, and intelligence to care about more than one country at a time. I lived for 18 years in the States, (and I am back in the US for now) so I care about that as well. [This message has been edited by Undead (edited 14 April 2004).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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