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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ahmad1: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Undead: [b]That is an outdated explanation of the big bang, and there are also more theories than that. With dark energy and dark matter being held in consideration another theory is that these two forces brought creation to the material world. The dark matter and dark energy make up 90% of the universe, which leaves much room for theories other than the above description of the big bang. That website does not seem credible at all to me. String theory also presents different theories of the universe and its creation. Actually it presents different theories of matter, energy, time, and distance... You might want to do some research on dark energy, dark matter, and string theory. Anyway, even if there is intelligent design, it doesn't prove the existence of Yahweh/Eloh/Allah because it could be design from countless forces instead of just one. If one god could have been existing without being created, why is it more bizarre to think that there could be 100 or more gods that exist without being created?[/b][/QUOTE] Let me suggest reading : [URL=http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html]http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html[/URL] [URL=http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/bigbangredux.shtml]http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/bigbangredux.shtml[/URL] Now regarding your statment "Anyway, even if there is intelligent design, it doesn't prove the existence of Yahweh/Eloh/Allah because it could be design from countless forces instead of just one. If one god could have been existing without being created, why is it more bizarre to think that there could be 100 or more gods " First we need to address the issue, is the first cause mechanical or personal? and this can be replied simply by aying exactly what a philosopher like William lane craig said "the only way to have an eternal cause but a temporal effect would seem to be if the cause is a personal agent who freely chooses to create an effect in time." Muslims,Christians and Jews believe in a personal God and the purpose of the argument was to prove this fundmental beliefe which is why scholars of this religions used this argument (kalam cosmological) from long time. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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