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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sherowet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by newcomer: [b]Salaams Phagocyte I agree that you have every right to question the validity of Hadith, as I already mentioned in my previous post. You raised some doubts and I tried to find answers to them for you to see if they would help answer your doubts. I hope that you found them useful. We will whether the Hadith about the fly is illogical if/when science is able to prove or disprove it maybe? My comment about keeping subjects Egypt related was actually more to do with your comment about refuting arguments with Shi’i arguments, whichæ as most Egyptians are Sunni’sæ and it seemed to me that it would be better to at least keep the discussions within the local school of thought. Although I cannot answer all of your long article, from the summary given by omelbanaat, I would argue that the verse: "O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) over their Jalayubihinna. That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful."(33:59) along with: “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers…” (24: 31) clearly shows that Islam did give an instruction for all believing women to cover themselves, not just the wives of the Prophet, when they leave the house and in front of non-marriageable men (with debate being mainly centered on whether Juyubihinna/ Jalayubihinna (pl.) means their bodies, necks, and chests, or also their faces.) It didn’t tell them to take their veils off their heads to do so, but also to draw them over the rest of their body. In addition, to show that the women weren’t doing this previously and that it wasn’t just the wives of the Prophet’s who did it, this Hadith by Aisha (r.a) describes the reaction of the women of the Ansar (the women who used to live in Medina before the Meccans emigrated there): “May Allah have mercy on the Ansar women. When the verse: ‘That they should draw their veils over their chests’ was revealed, they tore their thick outer garments and made veils from them. And when the verse that they should ‘cast their outer garments over themselves’ was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.” [Abu Dawood] (sory I don't have an evaluation for this hadith...can any help out?) I too have also read in many sources about the weakness of the Hadith about Asma bint Au Bakr that is usually quoted. This doesn’t mean that to wear hijab is one of the pillars of Islam, as we know that there are only five, the shahadah, prayer, zakat, fasting, and hajj, but as it is a commandment given in the Quran, and the definition of a Muslim is someone who believes in Allah and follows His Commands, then this does make wearing hijab one of the acts that is compulsory on Muslim women, along with behaving modestly, piously, compassionately, honestly, contributing to society, etc. etc. In the same way as these behaviours are obligatory on Muslim men along with wearing loose modest clothing (with the exclusion of the head cover and a slight reduction on the amount of his body that it is obligatory for him to cover). Sorry Luxorlover, there is no exception given for European women in Luxor in either the Qur’an or Hadith! ;-) European women get stared at in Egypt whether they wear hijab or not, but at least wearing it identifies them as a Muslim and shows what kind of lifestyle they have committed themselves to. It is not a proof that they are good, honest, pious people, as that obviously comes from their actions, but that does not detract from the fact that it is still one of the things that a Muslim is told to do. Cassia, fatawas are Islamic legal rulings that are given by Muslim jurists, they are not amulets! If I were you I would read through this forum about suitable clothing to be worn in Egypt by tourists, the subject has been raised many times and a lot of advice has been given already. Enjoy your trip. [/b][/QUOTE] i agree with you 100% newcomer [/QB][/QUOTE]
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