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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Automatic For The Peoplę: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by SayWhatYouSee: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Order of the Phoenix: [qb] Graf_Genn is a man. I never said I was a "new" member. So :rolleyes: I think you are missing the point. The conclusion I believe that HE (Graf_Genn) was trying to make, and forgive me for taking some liberties here MISTER Genn. He was trying to say that while a minority can change and adapt to their new surroundings, perhaps even affecting minor changes in the political climate there is NO way, short of military coup that they can COMPLETELY change the government of the majority into what they as the minority want it to be. Unless they somehow become the Majority in which case the arguement is still valid. [/qb][/QUOTE]Nice Patronus, Phoenix. ;) Graf_Genn seemed to me to be merely expressing a realistic view. Minorities, in any culture, simply don't have the clout to easily effect radical change. Graf was outlining a commonly held outlook, and from what he subsequently said, it is clear that he is fully aware that minorities have an equal civil and legal footing, in secular democracies. He wasn't advocating taking rights from those whom already have them. He appeared to be simply questioning the wisdom of those [i]immigrants[/i] declaring the wish to fundamentally change the core majority beliefs of the host nation. [b]Graf: ''If you start advocating that all societies should be Islamic (or any other religion foreign to the majority) then be prepared for the concentration camps ''[/b] Perhaps the above general point on extremism was a little difficult to extract. Auto immediately demonstrated his own biased interpretation, by stating the obvious: [b]''Most if not all western countries offer certain freedoms to all their citizens including freedom of religion. You can not prevent Muslims from exercising their right and allow Christians.'' [/b] He suggested that Graf said, [b]''if you want an Islamic society, simply move to one." and "be prepared for the concentration camp"" [/b] He didn't. Graf said,'' If you start advocating that all societies should be Islamic ( [b]or any other religion foreign to the majority[/b] ) then be prepared for the concentration camps.'' Spot the difference? Having failed to twist the argument, Auto reverted to his usual ''You're stupid', churlish, childish nonsense. BTW, Graf is most definitely a guy, for the paranoid out there. The initial question asked [b]''Does Western culture has to get part of Islamic culture?'' [/b] My view is that it absolutely does have to - as muslims are citizens, just as jews, catholics and atheists are. Every citizen can influence a western, secular democracy, although this may take a while, and proportional representation factors need to be taken into account. Minorities, over time, can and do make a difference, and a positive one. Culture is more than just a background fabric, against which we live - it is a rich, constantly changing, vibrant reality. Extremists can advocate anything they like, within the law. That is the price of living in a secular democracy. It's what free speech is all about. [/qb][/QUOTE] :D Seriously. did you think I expected anything else? I've told you that before, not only are you stupid but you can not even read. [QUOTE]Originally posted by SayWhatYouSee: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Order of the Phoenix: He suggested that Graf said, [b]''if you want an Islamic society, simply move to one." and "be prepared for the concentration camp" He didn't. [/b][/qb][/QUOTE]NO, I'm not suggesting anything at all , SHE DID write EXACTLY THAT. She and you and all those mind readers among you can argue all you want that fact remains that she did in fact write those comments and they are racist, criminal and pure stupid. Read first what you're replying to you . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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