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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prince of Nothing: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Automatic For The Peoplę: [qb]If you are able to go back in time, knowing what you now, what advice would you give to Jews in 1939-1945?[/qb][/QUOTE]I would have told them to leave Germany before the Nazi party began it's campaign. It was already far too late for them to try and rectify the situation. The Jews had always been maligned in Europe for centuries, due to their separatist mentality, perceived greed and strange culture. After World War I, Germany was in a state of ruin. The once proud and mighty nation was reduced to it's knees, and Hitler used the broken pride and haughtiness of the German people to bind them to a leash of their own making. He took the natural dislike that most Germans had for Jews, and amplified it to alarming levels by using them as a scapegoat for every ill affecting Germany. And people believed him....because they wanted to! There are parallels between the Jews and the Muslims. Both are seen as not inherently European, and both are generally disliked. If Muslims allow the dislike of non Muslims toward them and their religion to grow to the extent that was seen in old Europe against the Jews, then it is certainly possible that a second Holocaust may rear it's ugly head; but this time instead of Jews, it would be Muslims who are targeted. I would like to believe that the World has changed since the 1930s and 1940s, and that people would not allow such a thing to occur.....again. But, History has a way of repeating itself in more ways than one. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Prince of Nothing: [qb]How are they doing that? What did/do they do to implement their plan? [/qb][/QUOTE]First of all, let me state that many notorious radical Muslims have stated [i]publically[/i] that they wish to bring the entire World under the umbrella of Islam (or atleast their version), whether through peaceful or violent means. They make no bones about this, and they feel it is their God given duty. As for how they are doing this.. In the past, Islam spread through both peaceful and violent means. Muslims have a very high birth rate, and once they'd colonized a new land, it was only a matter of time before they outnumbered the natives and brought them under the fold of Islam, usually through dhimmitude. Eventually, the native non Muslims would convert to Islam to enjoy full civilian rights, rather than keep to their own ways and suffer dhimmi status. Anyway, this is the main strategy. Europe has an ageing population and a slow birth rate, while the Muslim population is much younger and with a far higher birth rate. If Muslims outbreed native Europeans, then it's conceivable that they could "Islamicize" the European continent in a century or two. That is, if things don't change... The other alternative, is using violence and this is what makes radical Islam so dangerous to Islam itself and ordinary Muslims. Radical Muslims have the misguided view that by resorting to terrorism, they can influence nations and bend them to their will. This is a fallacy, and it has never worked....even in Muslim nations. They intend to unite the Muslim World, and then War against non Muslims. However, it's just a pipe dream. Even if they could unite the Muslim lands, logic tells us they would never be able to conquer the rest of the globe using force, as they would be outnumbered 5:1 and seriously outgunned. It's an insane delusion, but they still believe it because when you believe you're fighting for God/Allah, then anything is possible I suppose. As to how this ties in with 9/11, it doesn't.. Al Qaeda meant 9/11 to act as a warning and a deterrent for Western nations that interfere in or occupy Muslim lands; even if they are invited (ie Saudi Arabia, Kuwait). Ofcourse, this backfired, and instead of Westerners ceasing to meddle in the affairs of Muslim nations, they are now meddling with a far greater intensity than they ever were before. Now Al Qaeda and other similar organizations have to contend with the idea of a democratic Iraq and Afghanistan, and thousands of non Muslim soldiers occupying the Middle East. And should they strike another "blow for Islam," they'll find that the situation would only worsen. In this, they are stupid beyond belief. If I were Osama bin Laden, my strategy would [b]NOT[/b] involve attacking Westerners on their own soil, as this would threaten my long term plans. They are simply too powerful to f*ck with. Instead, my strategy would be to destabilize Muslim nations which have puppet governments that pander to Western interests. Mass terrorism would be out of the question, as this could potentially turn the populus against me. Instead, targeted assassinations would be my primary employ, along with alot of religious propaganda. Eventually, if the average Muslim realizes that the secular puppet governments aren't worthy to lead them, they would revolt of their own accord and do my dirty work for me. Thats how I would do it. It would take decades, or even a lifetime, but once the average Muslim sees that I have his/her best interest at heart, they would give their support. But these radicals aren't very bright, and with their current methods, have doomed not only themselves, but potentially millions of other Muslims. ~Alistair [/QB][/QUOTE]
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