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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prince of Nothing: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Automatic For The Peoplę: [qb]The problem with discussing anything with you is your inability to focus. There are two [b]separate[/b] issue that you tend to lump together. 1- Peace loving Muslims living as citizens in Western countries. 2- Terrorism. The topic started by discussing the effect Muslim have on western culture and the unfounded fear that that may bring. You see it has nothing to do with terrorism and radicals and all that crap. These discussions have been going on in Canada for as long as I've lived here and it did not involve Muslims but instead Chinese and Indians. The question to you remains, should western culture accept a change as as a result of immigration? Is it [b]right[/b] or [b]wrong[/b] of those new citizens to live the way they wish for as long as it is within the law and done in a peaceful manner? Is it [b]right[/b] or [b]wrong[/b] to mass deport them or put them in [b]concentration camps[/b] because they chose to exercise their rights within the law? Don't answer me by talking about terrorism and radicals and the threat to the world and that nonsense. None of that has anything to do with the above questions and I don't beleive any of that crap anyway. Come on for God's sake, it's not rocket science. [/qb][/QUOTE]OK, so the problem is either I'm not focusing, or you're not comprehending.. I'll take my chances on the latter :p I've actually answered your questions several times throughout the course of this thread. Peaceful Muslim immigration and terrorism are [b]LINKED[/b] whether you want to admit it or not. To explain further, I mean that due to the terrorism being performed [i]under the banner of Islam[/i], a stereotype about Muslims and Islam has been created which directly affects every Muslim living in the West to some degree; even the peaceful ones. The stereotype I'm referring to is that all Muslims are religious fanatics which hate the West and seek to subvert Western culture via nefarious means. Everytime the average Westerner watches the News channel and sees some Muslims dancing around and chanting,"Death to America! Death to Israel! Death to Denmark!" etc while burning the flags, or some idiot decides to blow up an Embassy, the stereotype gains strength. Ofcourse, terrorism is only one component in the equation. The other is the innate cultural divide. There are several real World examples I can think of which prove my point. The bombings in London, the Parisian riots, the Danish cartoon ordeal, Theo Van Gogh's murder, etc have all prompted European nations to start tightening immigration laws, and enacting legislation which [i]targets Muslims specifically.[/i] Ofcourse they don't say this is what they want publically, but only a fool would not realize this. So, obviously the European nations judging by their reaction are [b]NOT[/b] accepting the changes being brought by Muslims to European Society (peacefully or not), otherwise they would not move to such lengths to restrict Muslim immigration. [URL=http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/04/2752a95e-e5f6-4886-a65c-75618628a283.html]Netherlands implements new Immigration rules which target Muslims[/URL] Now the questions of whether this is [b]right[/b] or [b]wrong[/b] from a moral perspective doesn't really matter. Because nations tend to act solely in their [i]best interest[/i], morality does not enter the equation. Yes, it's quite simple. Every immigration population brings [i]both[/i] positive and negative changes to their adopted Society. If immigrants bring [i]mostly[/i] [b]POSITIVE[/b] change to their adopted Society, they will be embraced. But if they bring [i]mostly[/i] [b]NEGATIVE[/b] change on the other hand, they will be rejected. The stigmas surrounding Islam complicates this further, because once people start to identify Islam with everything thats backward, hateful and regressive, people will automatically tune into the [b]NEGATIVE[/b] changes that Muslims bring with them, moreso than the positive. This is happening in Europe as we speak. ~Alistair [/QB][/QUOTE]
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