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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Exiled: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by harankash: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by VanillaBullshit: [qb] It doesn't deter people here Dunes, all women are viciously harassed to some extent, no matter who they're with, I see it all the time. [/qb][/QUOTE]Exiled you are not a woman, nor are you a woman walking in Cairo, therefore you have no idea what it is like. Women in the middle east in Hijab and Niqab get just as much torment, harassment, unnuendo. What I meant by intensifies it is this. Women can walk down Manhattan with barely a second look half naked. Men will not bat an eyelid at them. Now take Egypt for example. Men and women here are obsessed by sex. I am a member of a group who has one niqab'd woman who is afraid to come with us for coffee in Cilatro because in her words! ' I won't be able to stop myself from looking at the men, even the waiters, I am not supposed to to that, but I wont be able to help myself therefore that is bad for me' I said that I can drink in Cilantro and not even notice one man there. She said well that is you. I said ' are you serious?' because this is hard to believe...... she said' yes because I will be tempted and not be able to stop myself'. Now this is a woman, moslem, married to a bearded what I would term very strict husband, never leaves the house unless except to do shopping with him and is incredibly lonely, sad, depressed, and we wanted to give her an opportunity to et some air with the girls. So you see. We are a group of uncovered women going to Cilatro for coffee and have not the slightest notion of looking at, checking out and to be truthful want to avoid any male contact! :D Here is a young moslem woman in full niqab and gloves who cannot stop looking at men when she is out and has to distract herself, by whatever means. So it seems to me that being covered, being obsessed by men, by sex, by the human body, she fears her own self. Men are like naughty children. They always want to discover what is hidden away, what is forbidden, they will always touch what is in the box with the 'do not touch sign on it' or if they cannot they will go crazy just like they do here. [/qb][/QUOTE]I think we all have our foot in the mouth moments so don’t take it personal. A resting Egyptian donkey on one of the side streets of Bulaq probably knows more than some expats living in Egypt. Expats who are prone to expressing their silly notions, despite the fact that such notions contradict the reality of the situation. More logic and less nonsense would go a long way to clearing some of the misconceptions stated on ES. I am certainly not a woman but I have assimilated enough within Cairo to know which woman are harassed the most. It is unfortunate but many of my male friends partake in this practice. And the less the clothing the more likely the woman is to be sexually harassed. I have observed this in malls and round the clock in one of the malls in which my showroom was located. Some women least likely to be harrassed and those are the one wearing jilbab with niqab. The mohjabat are less likely to be harassed than women without the hijab, unless their derriere and rack is exceptional. Women who wear extra tight clothing and flaunt their camel toe are also likely to be harassed than women with loose clothing with hijab/niqab. The women who wear niqab that are harassed most are the ones who wear khaleeji(gulf) abayat and especially those who have a strong perfume scent. To claim that hijab/niqab intensifies sexual harassment is ridiculously and I wonder what possessed to lay such fallacious claim. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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