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[QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by pinkmoon: [qb] Hey messenger wake up and pay attention to what u r saying I didn't say if I want or if i don't want i won't post my personal life here so don't write and say what i didn't say i explained a situation in general so be careful again!! [/qb][/QUOTE]Now that was disappointing and evasive. I was hoping for something more "logical" :rolleyes: It does not matter if you were talking about yourself or in general. Here is a reminder of the argument you've been making all along: I asked: [QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: [qb] OK, let's get right down to it. Be specific and tell me what is "open minded" and "closed minded" to you. What exactly is it that you can do with western men that you can not do with Egyptian men? Be very specific so that I understand your argument. [/qb][/QUOTE]And you replied: [QUOTE]Originally posted by pinkmoon: [qb] Ok, i will explain again, open minded means, intelligent, clever, free, not afraid of anyone, fears only God, and not the people, [/qb][/QUOTE]So far so good [QUOTE]Originally posted by pinkmoon: [qb] and i c the egyptian girls have to lie to egyptian men they have to say u r my first love and they never met a man before so he doesn't think bad of her. The egyptian girl has to act that she is innocent and has no experience in life and shows him how weak she is and makes him feel how strong he is , when she meets him she has to say it's the first time i go out alone with a man, it's the first time i lie to my family and say that i am going to meet a friend -of course a girl- even if her families knows she has to say that her family doesn't know so he doesn't think bad of her family, she can't start telling him i love u or i miss u or i want u, she can't tell him how handsome he is and how much she likes him, if she says she travels alone or go to trips with her friends without her family the egyptian man might think that this girl is bad and how come her family let her travel alone she is a bad woman, and if she does all the things i mentioned he will surely run away from her or try to have fun with her thinking that she is an easy, and impolite and she is up for anything so he tries to convince her that he loves her and he wants her and maybe a girl who does all these things will say no to him and maybe another girl will fall in love with him then he will have fun with her with very bad thoughts about her and how bad she is and then he will go find another girl to marry and leave her. These are some examples not everything but about 90% of egyptian men think this way and many egyptian women has to use these ways i mentioned above to show how good she is by lies. [/qb][/QUOTE]That's all reasonable. [QUOTE]Originally posted by pinkmoon: [qb] With the western man the woman can start saying she likes him or start talking to him -he will never think bad of her-If they get along together, she can tell him everything she wants or like everything she does-he will never think bad of her-she can say that she was in love before and if she said that the one she loved kissed her-he will never think bad of her because he knows that these r normal feelings doesn't mean she is a bad woman-if she talks to him about her friends and she travels or go dancing with them- he will never think bad of her- if she tells him i want u-he will never think bad of her, if she tells him that her family knows she meets him- he will never think bad of her or her family. So open minded means understanding respecting eachothers feelings, and being free doesn't mean being bad, if a woman is free go out, travel, have friends, do important things in her life have a good job and also have her fun life that doesn't mean that she is not respectable and she can't be a good wife, lover, and mother also doesn't mean that she is not religious open minded can be religious in the same time. [/qb][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by pinkmoon: [qb] Maybe u will say how i mentioned dancing and now i say religious because we all do mistakes in our lives no one is angel i know my religion very well i fear god but i make mistakes i'm not perfect, we r not perfect but this doesn't mean that if we do something wrong that we do everything wrong a good person has limits a good person is a man or a woman we r humans , man+woman = human [/qb][/QUOTE]Now here you clearly stated that at least one of the advantages of being with a western man, is that an Egyptian woman can go against her religious beliefs and do things like kiss and dance. Remember, these are not necessarily my beliefs, these are "yours". It doesn't matter if you were talking about you personally or the general "i" and "we". This is not a competition of who's better. You outlined your opinion on why you a western man is preferable to an Egyptian one. I am arguing that it is illogical and hypocritical to prefer a western man partly to be able to behave contrary to one's beliefs. And that "your" excuse for misbehaving is EXACTLY that of the Egyptian men you criticize. Get it? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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