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[QUOTE]Originally posted by metinoot: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E: [qb] I live in a country where women are quite frankly considered second class citizens, virtually sold off into marriage by their families in the name of 'security', many are beaten, by fathers, brothers, husbands, they have to ask permission to leave the house, are treated like possessions .... and on and on and on .... And they are complicit in this. [/QUOTE]Thats the Egyptians you know, its not the Egyptians I know. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E: [QB]And we Westerners are behaving badly???[/QUOTE]You selectively have read the posts on this thread. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E: [QB]And btw, it's not anti American to suggest that American women have less of a problem letting others pay for everything, it's true. It's a cultural difference, and I've noticed on here that when there is a discussion about holiday romances, and 'who pays for what' it is invariably Americans who remark 'if he doesn't pay for everything I'd be out of there.' [/QUOTE]Not only did you start a thread to bash Egyptians but now you've moved onto Americans. I didn't say my Egyptian ex-husband paid for everything state-side. I stated it was a private matter and I am not going to discuss it. I always assumed British and European women paid for more because they are more likely to have a child out of wedlock and to live as partners without a legal marriage therefore the woman has to shell out more for the expenses in order to keep him around. Overwhelmingly most American couples if both partners/spouses are working household expenses are shared 50/50; but women shell out more for children and household extras. Men pay for entertainment, eating out and indulgences. But then again when Americans get divorced we do have a very great system to collect child support, and therefore fathers have more rights. And more American fathers get custody than European fathers by an extreme margin, in those cases women do pay child support and when they don't they go to jail just like the men! [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E: [QB]I don't think Europeans think quite the same way, we can buy a guy a coffee without feeling slighted I think. If egyptian guys start feeling insecure about this, well maybe they'd better stay away from foreigners. It's not a criticism, just culture stuff. [/qb][/QUOTE]Its a very misguided criticism, and way off. Normally in American soceity whomever asks the other person out pays for the date. After the third date is the custom to either go dutch or take turns paying. And this is coming from a gal who has done a monsterous amount of dating over the last 4 years. And I live in a neighbhorhood in which 90% are still single. I've dated European men and normally they want to pay for everything, but are also more likely to move on hard to the "marriage topic". Because its assumed us Ameircan women are more likely to work out marriage troubles than go straight to divorce court. I also would never live with a guy before marriage, as soon as some Eurotwerp finds this out, its an incentive. Yet European men find it obligatory to screw around on their wives as well which is a massive turnoff for American women. Hows that for "assumptions"? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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