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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by martha: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Samarra_Anissa: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by martha: [qb] Dear Bubbleperson, Thank you for your kind replies. You were informative and sensitive. A rare thing here on ES. I appreciate it so much. As to my personal situation I will not share it. Because usually on the forum when I've asked questions seeking advice or just trying to have a friendly thread for people to share. I get cut up and abused. So, no thanks. However this is why I so much appreciate your style of addressing my questions without condemning me. I do not relish the thought of my personal life being bandied about and used to hurt me as I see others doing on this forum. It's so cruel. No matter how much they seem to hate each other. Many of my questions were in response to many months of reading these posts and hearing the same old cruel things said about Western women and Egyptian men. Sure, most of it's probably true. As it is all over the world how men and women use each other, no mattter what country they are from. Sometimes it's just so disgusting to hear so much negativity. On this forum, I've heard the Western women who visit as tourists, described as fat, old, ugly pigs desperately looking for love anywhere they can get it. And it makes me angry. I think people deserve more respect than that. I guess I just get tired of the unbelievable cruelty. And at times I am shocked at the coldness and bad attitudes towards other people. [/qb][/QUOTE]Martha don't take this the wrong way..... But any tourist who decides to have sex on the fly even with an orfi paper must have a slight nudging feeling that in a pious country such as Egypt, the sex paper marriage is more than likely considered as wrong. Anybody with an iota of scrupples and common sense would know that this type of sex paper is wrong in their own country and more than likely wrong in Egypt. Its obvious that most of these female foreign tourists just don't care. More than likely know about the sex tourism trade and orfi in advance, even understand that is looked down upon in Egypt in advance. If they don't care and are only out to get sex, why bother warning them about gigilos and let them get what they deserve? By the way I noticed in your post above and most posts in regards to this thread didn't bother to reflect on whether this Orfi practice is right or wrong, its a embarassment to Egypt, that its not socially acceptable practice in Egypt...... I don't know if it's right or wrong. I suppose it depends on who is doing it whether it is right or wrong to them. A personal choice. Just like anything else. I personally would feel it would be wrong for me. Martha you reflect in this thread as if this affects no one other than you and the Egyptian guys who profit from this. [/qb][/QUOTE]It doesn't affect me in any way whatsoever. I'm not Orfi married. But I feel adults when given a legal choice to do something have the right to do it if it's their desire to do so. They know their own religious and personal values. It's up to them to make the choices that will let them live with their own conscience. [/qb][/QUOTE]If you aren't Orfi married, once were orfi married or planning to be orfi married then you wouldn't be defending this public nuisance! Just because something is legal doesn't mean its the right thing to do, and that it won't affect a wider community. And its real easy to get married and walk away with an orfi contract. Just never re-enter Egypt. But for foreign women who will and must be in Egypt they face the consequences for other foreign female tourist immoral behavior. To carry on in such an immoral compacity shows a lack of respect for yourself, for your own nation/culture, for Egypt and its cultural constructs and for the institution of marriage itself. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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