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[QUOTE]Originally posted by homeylu: [QB] The archaeological evidence correspond with Biblical accounts. If anyone is taking the Bible literal to make their arguments its both Neo*geo and S. Mohamad. Since your arguments are alway based on literal accounts-"Prove this person existed" "prove that person existed" both of you are trying to be way too technical. S. Mohamad, the reason I've never refuted your language argument "which is all you have" is because its irrelevant in ths discussion. A language spoken by people don't determine their race, as English is spoken by amost every race of man on earth. So what's the point of arguing linguistics when we're talking race. Scientist today all agree that race as a continuum today is the same as it has always been. So eliminitating "experts" and dealing with the common person. If you asked anyone what's the race of the people that rule Europe, they would more than likely say "white", and conversely for West Africa, they would more than likely say "Black". As the common person is not an "expert" on the hundreds of racial classifications that exist in the scientific community. As I seriously doubt a common response would be that "they are Indo-Euopean Caucosoids with the Y chromosome..." Get the point!! In the Histories, Herodotus described the Egyptians as Black People, would he be incorrect for not referring to them as an "Eastern Mediterranean Caucosoid People, that spoke a language derived from the Afro-Asiatic group.????" yet this is your logic. You are using modern developed terms that were not used by the Ancients themselves to formulate your arguments. I use the Bible as a historical guideline, not as an alternative to a scientific journal. The Egyptians depicted in "The Mural of Races"-whether it was called as such by them or not 3 distinct racial groups. The artists never considered themselves "anthropologists", but common observers of what was "apparent" to them. Now without getting so technical even if Shem, Ham, Japheth, or even Noah for that matter didnt exist in reality or even if they did: These labels are nothing more than how the Hebrews viewed their world at that time, by 3 apparently different races of people that ruled certain Nations. Hence the Nations that were 'apparently' ruled by Blacks were Hamites..and so forth. Ham, Shem, and Japheth could be considered the major categories of races apparent to the Hebrews, and their "sons" could be none other than the nations they ruled. Wally has already showed you how "Ham" meant Black, Shem "dusky" or brown, and Japheth meant "fair" or "white" in Hebrew. Even though Egypt consisted of various complexions of people, eyewitness accounts of most Ancient authors would describe the Egyptians as Black, the Arabs as Yellow, and the Greeks as white. If anything you're the simple-minded ones, that think Blacks stopped right at the border of Egypt (southern Egypt-or most of you) and didnt settle anywhere else in Ancient times, and what more conventient area of migration without having to cross major seas..other than the Arabian Peninsula. You seriously need to do some research if you don't think that Canaanites were ruled by the Egyptians who were considered Black by the ancients. And further if the all the Hebrews told was "folklore" why not just say Noah had 50 sons, and divided up 50 nations. I dont think these 3 "mythical" characters had no siginificance if not the apparent 3 racial categories known to them at the time. Its obviously not some arbitrary number. And trust me when I say the Table of Nations was also about the Table of Races. And for the record, we can argue back and forth on this topic a year from now, and my opinion will not change..Just so you know. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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